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The level of safety of AZ has hardly ever changed, certainly not significantly. It has always been around 1.5-2.8 instances of the thrombosis per 100,000 doses depending on the age group. Mortality from it depends on the country, in Australia it is less than 5%.
AZ has never been said to be unsafe, what was said was that given the low level of COVID at that time the risk from the thrombosis for under 60s was greater than from COVID, for over 60s the risk from dying from COVID goes up so the equation changes.
What has changed is the amount of COVID with the delta strain so the relative risk changes, hence so does the advice.
The time between vaccinations is about 3 things. One is what is the optimum time to maximise protection, secondly what is the risk of contracting COVID for someone with one dose against the reduced efficacy of getting 2nd vaccination too early and thirdly about supply and whether it is better to direct supplies to 1st doses or 2nd doses.
Come on that’s a ludicrous comparison.
It’s a percentage of population per day not an absolute number.
You may as well expect Tasmania to do 20 million in a day as well.
You have to get demand to meet the supply as well. But I agree we haven’t really seen a focused push to concentrate a lot into a small period of time and stimulate demand (but that’s because of us shafting AZ and then not having Pfizer)
Do you speak from experience in organising this type of thing? Or more a view from the outside?
You are spot on. This type of advice *smile* me though because it assumes the world isn’t going to change in the future and ignores the timeframe to get vaccinated. It also ignores the risk to the community that slow vaccination causes.
It’s ass covering advice you often see from technical groups that don’t take any risk.
Less people would have died and less of this never ending lockdown would have occurred if AZ was supported by the technical groups. Which is a disgrace.
I don't see it as anything to do with percentage of population at all.
The point I make is simply that we can get 20 million people to attend voting booths over 10 hours in a single day to register them and collect their vote Australia wide. We do it every 3 or 4 years.
We could do the same thing with covid..provided we had supply, storage and staffing.
India has done exactly that, 20 million people in one day. Total population is irrelevant.
20 million is 20 million.
Nothing more than an observation and a belief that it could be done if there was a desire.
In this country there is a desire to mobilize 20 million on voting day, why not on a covid day?
That's all I have to say. Wouldn't it have been a beautiful thing to do.
Ok no problem. Agree it would be great. I think it’s a pipe dream and completely unrealistic given the length of the supply chain, the trained resources needed and the uncertainty of demand. But all good. Can agree we could do more for sure.
Yeah, should be simple. Everyone lines up, gets their name marked off, gets given a syringe, goes to a booth, gives themself a jab. Done.
Medical groups, researchers , Doctors etc will always work with analysis of facts as they are known. They love statistics and probabilities.
The “we are following medical advice” of politicians is sometimes an easy way to not make a decision, because what we need at times is leadership. In this particular case I reckon it’s national leadership.
We are in some ways victims of politics because it would have taken political courage to (as an example) recommend AZ to everyone 8-9 months ago and then someone died of the thrombosis straight away.
Political courage is an oxymoron in Australia
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They tend to jam. Water Canons. The best way to deal with protests that turn violent.
Having watched the Walking Dead, a katana blade and a cross bow are fairly handy when dealing with a horde of zombies.
I think protesting against health orders is pretty dumb,
but 'police officer assaulted' tag on that footage?
watch the copper land a huge left hook to the face of the first bloke through the line (orange flouro).
a monster left hook that would knock out Barry Hall.
I cant believe the bloke keeps running. its a shuddering blow.
you could argue he deserves it.
but be honest with the reporting.
'Copper lands huge left hook on the first bloke to break the line, and bloke keeps running'.
reminds me a bit of BWS on sat night 30 sept 2017.
imagine how heinous we would've been if there was a stay at home order then?
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Please tell me what’s happening here to this 70yo lady who is harmless who was thrown to the ground and pepper sprayed . . Seriously i am glad I have relocated to the GC and left this rubbish . Absolute disgrace by government and police which they have caused !! . Enjoy your rules , I am off to surf club to have another beer
friend of mine who is a builder, works on domestic homes & small renos by himself. Being registered falls under the construction industry has been told by the governing bodies needs to get vaccinated. (Mandated). All workers or other contractors who come onto the job also need to be vaxed. Really pissed. Its not just the big constructions job. its everyone connected into industry. He does though have a medical condition and didnt want vax. Now he needs to speak to Dr to see about exemption.
