Coronavirus

[eZyT]

Totally agree and mentioned the same on this thread a number of times.

I believe they need to hire a marketing firm to sell AZ to the people. I mean on a Current Affair last week they were interviewing people outside a pop up vaccination hub in Sydney. An 85 year old woman said she was there hoping to get the Pfizer, didn't want the AZ because of the risk of blood clotting. 6 deaths out of 6.3m vaccinations is a miniscule risk. We know from our outbreak last year (which wasn't Delta) that if you were over 80 and you caught Covid, you had a 1 in 3 chance of dying. 1 in 3 vs 1 in a million. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm something's not right when those risks aren't being weighed up closely.

The AZ is a no brainer for those over 60. The risk of blood clotting is tiny for that age group. How we are not above 80% 1st dose for the ages groups over 60 is awful and due to the spread of misinformation.

BTW did anyone see the article that said that Sky News Australia have been banned from Youtube for a week (a yellow card if you like) for spreading misinformation around Covid on there (I suspect it was an Alan Jones thing). These guys are a danger to society.

Sky News Australia barred for week by YouTube over Covid misinformation

The digital giant bans the channel from uploading new content for a week over misinformation breaches.

www.bbc.com

its partly about choice Poshman.

if you give a hungry kid a bowl of brussel sprouts, they'll eat them.

tragically, or reassuringly, depending how you view things,

80 year olds are just wrinkly, slow moving kids with a wardrobe full of worn out clothes and boxes of old bills and forms.

 

[Panthera Tigris]

Totally agree and mentioned the same on this thread a number of times.

I believe they need to hire a marketing firm to sell AZ to the people. I mean on a Current Affair last week they were interviewing people outside a pop up vaccination hub in Sydney. An 85 year old woman said she was there hoping to get the Pfizer, didn't want the AZ because of the risk of blood clotting. 6 deaths out of 6.3m vaccinations is a miniscule risk. We know from our outbreak last year (which wasn't Delta) that if you were over 80 and you caught Covid, you had a 1 in 3 chance of dying. 1 in 3 vs 1 in a million. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm something's not right when those risks aren't being weighed up closely.

The AZ is a no brainer for those over 60. The risk of blood clotting is tiny for that age group. How we are not above 80% 1st dose for the ages groups over 60 is awful and due to the spread of misinformation.

Perceptions are an interesting thing. You could possibly say the same for Russia's Sputnik V vaccine. Apparently performing quite well, in line with most of the other major vaccines. That said, people in the field are not quite ready to confirm this, due to their concerns with Russia's history of providing data and information that lacks integrity, which I suppose some healthy skepticism is fair. But it is being used in other countries, who are reporting quite effective outcomes. I suppose the proof will be in the pudding (or not) as it gets wider rollout in these secondary countries.

But even then, if it does indeed prove widely successful. How many people in Australia (and the western world more generally) could be convinced to take Sputnik V, due to perceptions of where it came from?

 

[RoarEmotion]

Do you really think they are focused on suppressing it? Their rhetoric has been clear, lets vaccinate out of this, and Gladys's presser yesterday gave it away, they are using the outbreak to get themselves ahead of all of the other states by pressuring the government to send them more vaccines so they never have to lockdown again. That was as clear as it comes.

Yep. At end August we will be hearing about gold standard vaccination roll out and how other states suck. Maybe they will go with platinum standard - I’m sure marketing is on it.

We won’t be hearing about the death and economic destruction about failure to lockdown early. (From the PM or NSW premier).

With that said as dirty as it sounds the more vaccine NSW roll out the better - especially AZ.

 

[Brodders17]

Totally agree and mentioned the same on this thread a number of times.

I believe they need to hire a marketing firm to sell AZ to the people. I mean on a Current Affair last week they were interviewing people outside a pop up vaccination hub in Sydney. An 85 year old woman said she was there hoping to get the Pfizer, didn't want the AZ because of the risk of blood clotting. 6 deaths out of 6.3m vaccinations is a miniscule risk. We know from our outbreak last year (which wasn't Delta) that if you were over 80 and you caught Covid, you had a 1 in 3 chance of dying. 1 in 3 vs 1 in a million. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm something's not right when those risks aren't being weighed up closely.

The AZ is a no brainer for those over 60. The risk of blood clotting is tiny for that age group. How we are not above 80% 1st dose for the ages groups over 60 is awful and due to the spread of misinformation.

BTW did anyone see the article that said that Sky News Australia have been banned from Youtube for a week (a yellow card if you like) for spreading misinformation around Covid on there (I suspect it was an Alan Jones thing). These guys are a danger to society.

Sky News Australia barred for week by YouTube over Covid misinformation

The digital giant bans the channel from uploading new content for a week over misinformation breaches.

www.bbc.com

Too many people think they are smarter than they are.

 

[Giardiasis]

6 deaths out of 6.3m vaccinations is a miniscule risk. We know from our outbreak last year (which wasn't Delta) that if you were over 80 and you caught Covid, you had a 1 in 3 chance of dying. 1 in 3 vs 1 in a million. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm something's not right when those risks aren't being weighed up closely.

You are not comparing apples with apples here. You need to take the odds of catching covid and dying and compare that to the odds of taking the vaccine and dying. I think you also need to adjust the covid deaths figure to reflect a lot of people would have caught covid without being tested.

 

[AngryAnt]

You are not comparing apples with apples here. You need to take the odds of catching covid and dying and compare that to the odds of taking the vaccine and dying. I think you also need to adjust the covid deaths figure to reflect a lot of people would have caught covid without being tested.

You also need to factor in the public good - the more who are vaccinated the fewer infected, the fewer die, the lower impact on the economy, the better off everyone is. You also have fewer excess deaths because of less strain on health systems. And fewer excess deaths from mental health issues caused by lockdowns, business failures, domestic violence etc.

You can also factor in "long Covid" - those that don't die but have significant long-term effects.

 

[AngryAnt]

In the meantime, why don't you examine what is happening in the countries with the highest vaccination rates and report back with your findings?

Did my homework, still waiting for a grade from teacher.

 

[mrposhman]

You are not comparing apples with apples here. You need to take the odds of catching covid and dying and compare that to the odds of taking the vaccine and dying. I think you also need to adjust the covid deaths figure to reflect a lot of people would have caught covid without being tested.

Yeah I get that, it was more a statement that if you did get it that those older groups have a high risk of death.

I found the below data (which is now close to 6 months out of date and would increase the rates) but I've only done a quick search.

So essentially its a 1 in 45 risk of contracting and dying of Covid if you are 85+. I haven't weighted the grouping of 65+ so its just a straight average but wouldn't be too far away, so the risk of contracting and dying from covid if you are 65+ its 1 in 163. Compare both of these to 1 in a million chance of dying from the vaccine then I'd say they are pretty good odds.

 

[Bunnerz]

NSW schools all but off for term 3.
Will be lucky to be back 1st 2 weeksof term 4 which is October.

 

[waiting]

NSW schools all but off for term 3.
Will be lucky to be back 1st 2 weeksof term 4 which is October.

The cost not just in economic terms but human terms is the story not really told.

When I have people/some friends tell me that this virus isn’t real, just a cold, is made up- I tell them , well my untie got it and my cousin in his mid 40’s got it and got hospitalised and was quite sick.

The silent stats we don’t hear of:

Suicide
Divorce rates
Repossession of homes
Lost of work-income
Mental health cases through the roof.
Family network disintegration
Our kids-their lives/education/sport in turmoil..


SILENT STATS Govt don’t want you to know ....

 

[Giardiasis]

Yeah I get that, it was more a statement that if you did get it that those older groups have a high risk of death.

I found the below data (which is now close to 6 months out of date and would increase the rates) but I've only done a quick search.

So essentially its a 1 in 45 risk of contracting and dying of Covid if you are 85+. I haven't weighted the grouping of 65+ so its just a straight average but wouldn't be too far away, so the risk of contracting and dying from covid if you are 65+ its 1 in 163. Compare both of these to 1 in a million chance of dying from the vaccine then I'd say they are pretty good odds.

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So 1 in 45 not adjusting for underrepresented testing? Where did you get the 1 in a million vaccine related deaths from?

 

[jb03]

The cost not just in economic terms but human terms is the story not really told.

When I have people/some friends tell me that this virus isn’t real, just a cold, is made up- I tell them , well my untie got it and my cousin in his mid 40’s got it and got hospitalised and was quite sick.

The silent stats we don’t hear of:

Suicide
Divorce rates
Repossession of homes
Lost of work-income
Mental health cases through the roof.
Family network disintegration
Our kids-their lives/education/sport in turmoil..


SILENT STATS Govt don’t want you to know ....

What those denialists who mention those items fail to mention themselves is their increased precence should COVID decimate a population's health.

 

[mrposhman]

So 1 in 45 not adjusting for underrepresented testing? Where did you get the 1 in a million vaccine related deaths from?

I'll have to see what the base case for the US is to determine if its on population rather than tests. I did a quick search. I'll maybe see if I can just get population stats by age group in the US but not sure when their last census was as to how accurate it is.

The 1 in 1,000,000 is based on Australian stats. 6.3m vaccines and 6 deaths (hence 1 in 1,050,000 - I rounded down) of blood clots. The UK has a record of about 1 in 500,000 but have adminstered it to a far younger population. I'm sure there are stats out there by age group in the UK but haven't found them yet.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Gladys' quasi lockdown will end up costing her citizens & Australian taxpayers so much more than if she'd locked down early & simimilarly to other states but she's so stuborn she refuses to see where it's going wrong. The NSW public will be getting restless soon enough. They'll be looking elsewhere with envy.

 

[mrposhman]

So 1 in 45 not adjusting for underrepresented testing? Where did you get the 1 in a million vaccine related deaths from?

Ok try this one. Whilst the odds are a bit better they are nothing compared to the vaccine. This is data from the US.

Data from https://www.statista.com/statistics/241488/population-of-the-us-by-sex-and-age/
and https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-by-Sex-and-Age/9bhg-hcku

Whilst not perfect as this is 2019 population data it won't be far off.

So essentially if you are over 65, chance of dying from Covid is about 1 in 113, worse if you are a male at 1 in 96.

Compare that to a 1 in 1,000,000 chance of dying from the vaccine, I know which one we should be pushing on our population older than 65.

 

[Giardiasis]

Ok try this one. Whilst the odds are a bit better they are nothing compared to the vaccine. This is data from the US.

Data from https://www.statista.com/statistics/241488/population-of-the-us-by-sex-and-age/
and https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-by-Sex-and-Age/9bhg-hcku

Whilst not perfect as this is 2019 population data it won't be far off.

So essentially if you are over 65, chance of dying from Covid is about 1 in 113, worse if you are a male at 1 in 96.

Compare that to a 1 in 1,000,000 chance of dying from the vaccine, I know which one we should be pushing on our population older than 65.

Thanks for chasing that up. Do you know what the US data says about vaccine related deaths? Seems a better idea to compare AU with AU or US with US rather than US with AU. I daresay that COVID probability data for catching the virus and dying from it would be fairly less if using the AU data?

 

[mrposhman]

Thanks for chasing that up. Do you know what the US data says about vaccine related deaths? Seems a better idea to compare AU with AU or US with US rather than US with AU. I daresay that COVID probability data for catching the virus and dying from it would be fairly less if using the AU data?

The point I've been making around vaccine related deaths though is around AZ which the US haven't been using, though it would be good to see if their vaccines have a similar death rate. Ie. people over here seem to think Pfizer is a vaccine with no health risk, and AZ is a death vaccine. Would be good to compare the major illness and death rates between AZ and Pfizer, which is where the US and the UK come in separately.

I'll see if I can find the same data for the UK too, so we can take both countries risk ratios as a guide.

BTW if I can do this, no idea why the government don't hire a marketing company to do the same and market the vaccine that the government is paying for and currently giving away to other nations as our citizens won't take it.

 

[Giardiasis]

The King himself SK Warne has Covid and is pretty crook as well.

Fully vaccinated, which may well turn out to be life saving.

So if he doesn’t die you’ll attribute that to the vaccine? How can you tell if the vaccine was lifesaving?

 

[mrposhman]

So if he doesn’t die you’ll attribute that to the vaccine? How can you tell if the vaccine was lifesaving?

G, are you antivaxx?

 

[Giardiasis]

G, are you antivaxx?

What’s antivaxx?