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Coronavirus
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97 cases in NSW today with 29 still in the community while infectious. Not really going down.
I reckon this quick lockdown in Vic could stamp it out as we have acted early, hope so.
As for vaccination, yes, 80% fully vaccinated would be great. But the vaccines have so far proven to be very effective at preventing serious illness and death. So, once everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated then I reckon we open up. Those of us who are vaccinated will have protection, those not vaccinated will have had the opportunity to be protected and they chose not to. COVID-19 will continue to be in the community, that is a given. What changes everything is if everyone has the opportunity to have a vaccination which means they won't get seriously ill or die from the virus. You choose not to be vaccinated, you choose the risk - your actions, your responsibility. While we're at it we should be making as much of the AZ vaccine as possible and sending them off to countries who need it. Any vaccines we have bought from overseas that we don't use, deliver them somewhere they will be used.
If we really want to go back to having an open world we need to help other countries too.
DS
I reckon this quick lockdown in Vic could stamp it out as we have acted early, hope so.
As for vaccination, yes, 80% fully vaccinated would be great. But the vaccines have so far proven to be very effective at preventing serious illness and death. So, once everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated then I reckon we open up. Those of us who are vaccinated will have protection, those not vaccinated will have had the opportunity to be protected and they chose not to. COVID-19 will continue to be in the community, that is a given. What changes everything is if everyone has the opportunity to have a vaccination which means they won't get seriously ill or die from the virus. You choose not to be vaccinated, you choose the risk - your actions, your responsibility. While we're at it we should be making as much of the AZ vaccine as possible and sending them off to countries who need it. Any vaccines we have bought from overseas that we don't use, deliver them somewhere they will be used.
If we really want to go back to having an open world we need to help other countries too.
DS
Listening to NSW presser they are just trying to be way too cute in maximising low risk individual behaviour opportunities vs having simple to explain messages.
their mask wearing messaging is technically correct but will lead to inadvertent situations where people don’t have them on. I work in industrial Settings where you need to wear hearing protection. You don’t put it on when it’s noisy, you just wear it all the time when you are in the plant so that you don’t forget to put it on. keep it simple, explain why this means sometimes you are wearing it when you don’t need to, and then enforce the rule.
no way you can deal with the spread of different types of people in the community with this delta variant and the nuanced technical mask wearing advice they are giving. It’s so smart it is stupid.
their mask wearing messaging is technically correct but will lead to inadvertent situations where people don’t have them on. I work in industrial Settings where you need to wear hearing protection. You don’t put it on when it’s noisy, you just wear it all the time when you are in the plant so that you don’t forget to put it on. keep it simple, explain why this means sometimes you are wearing it when you don’t need to, and then enforce the rule.
no way you can deal with the spread of different types of people in the community with this delta variant and the nuanced technical mask wearing advice they are giving. It’s so smart it is stupid.
There was a news report a day or so ago where we were shipping something like 5m vaccines overseas, mainly to the Pacific islands, Indonesia and Thailand which I agree, we need to continue to do so. Get their most vulnerable protected (over 60's), just like we are doing.
Just heard Frydenburg on the radio, he's confident that a strong vaccine uptake will remove the need for lockdowns. Great. Now, can you ask your colleagues, where the other bloody vaccines are so that we can get protected and then remove our lockdown risk please.
Gladys is so full of *smile*.
Her CHO Dr Chant knows it too. Just have to watch her body language.
Her CHO Dr Chant knows it too. Just have to watch her body language.
I understand that sentiment.
Unfortunately, until vaccines are widely available, it's completely pointless. Vaccine hesitancy is not the hurdle right now.
We need to be vaccinating children before we consider letting it rip.
I think the plan is to decide this year's Premier by Zoom.Me and snake consulted extensively and took the difficult decision to not attend the footy tonight and cheer on Jack.
it wasn't an easy decision, but was informed by (in order of importance)
1. Going to the footy amidst a pandemic outbreak doesnt really pass the risk assessment. As much as we would love to go, it is kind of our civic duty to use common sense not to go, rather than wait until the horse bolts and Government tells us what to do.
2. I'd feel compelled to wear a mask, my glasses would fog up, I wouldnt see anything, and Id have to deal with a mask full of pie, spit and tequila
3. Havnt received any ticketing info off RFC (dont blame them one bit #getfucktgil)
4. The risk of relentless, consistently terrible umpiring is real, and feed into the cost benefit analysis (#getfukthocking)
5. Lion fans were real obnoxious *smile* last game. It wasn't an enjoyable night whatsoever. Yeah, it'd be great to beat them (I think we will) and give it to 'em, but points 1-5 compounded is too great
wasn't an easy decision, we both felt strongly that we owe our Jack some love, but there it is.
Any accusations of 'softness' or '*smile* weak fair weather supporter' would be justified, and taken on the chin.
29 we’re in the community for their entire infectious period.
Up to 51 in the community for at least part of their infections period.
gladys has already let slip that numbers may be worse tomorrow
"Right now, non-essential retail in Victoria has been closed as part of its lockdown measures.
Asked if this would help in NSW, Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant said transmission in retail stores “hasn’t been a feature” in her state, but she wanted to see a general reduction in the mobility of people."
Kerry Chant has this completely wrong. She believes that keeping shops open and mobility of people are mutually exclusive, when they are actually completely linked. VIC haven't shut the shops because we have significant transmission within shops, its designed to reduce the mobility of people by reducing the number of places that people can visit, hence remove the risk of inadvertent contact.
Asked if this would help in NSW, Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant said transmission in retail stores “hasn’t been a feature” in her state, but she wanted to see a general reduction in the mobility of people."
Kerry Chant has this completely wrong. She believes that keeping shops open and mobility of people are mutually exclusive, when they are actually completely linked. VIC haven't shut the shops because we have significant transmission within shops, its designed to reduce the mobility of people by reducing the number of places that people can visit, hence remove the risk of inadvertent contact.
Yep. As I have stated before they either don't get it up there or they are just arrogant fools who think they know better then anyone else and can handle it differently yet still beat it.
They are getting proved wrong every single day yet they still persist with methods that aren't working. Bizarre behviour.
We should close the borders completely to NSW. Anyone who has travelled there without a valid reason since mid-June can stay there and deal with the consequences. Only under extremely extenuating circumstances should an exemption be given.
They are not taking this seriously so stuff em.
Like watching Trump with Fauci and co and that woman when Trump said to drink the bleach
Yep, agree. I suppose at the moment we don't know how safe each of the vaccines is for children, but we are so slow at the vaccination roll out that we should have lots of international data on that before we can vaccinate children. I figure, if the vaccines are deemed to be not safe enough for children, we will vaccinate the kids as they reach a certain age.
DS
anyone see the legend walking up the stairs in the background of Dan’s presser yesterday?
“Love your work Dan! Thanks to all the health care workers! And *smile* Murdoch!”
Dan, saying to reporters “ah, I didn’t quite hear the last bit, but some of you are amused”
What hope have we got when the NSW Deputy Premier's daughter is fined for breaching COVID restrictions?? She drove from Queanbeyan near Canberra to Sydney and back in a day? I mean, W.T.F.??? Your dad is the Deputy Premier you stupid imbecile and you still can't abide by the regulations?? Entitled *smile* head. A prime example of how blase they are up there.
And police have been catching heaps of people trying to leave Sydney with caravans on board. Yet Gladys and Kerry don't think they need to impose travelling restrictions as we have (5km from home). Yet they are still getting no improvement in the figures 3 weeks into the "lockdown"
They really are *smile* up there.
And police have been catching heaps of people trying to leave Sydney with caravans on board. Yet Gladys and Kerry don't think they need to impose travelling restrictions as we have (5km from home). Yet they are still getting no improvement in the figures 3 weeks into the "lockdown"
They really are *smile* up there.
We are along way from opening up for those who have been vaccinated, for a few reasons.
First is obviously so many havent had the chance to be vaccinated.
Second is that rates are so low that anyone assisting the spread of the disease is risking serious harm to the wider community, so while someone vaccinated mightnt have serious effects, they can still assist with the spread of the disease posing risks to others.
Thirdly, part of the success of lockdowns is that noone can move around, meaning it is easier to police. If say 5% of the population had more freedom that is 150k people roaming Melbourne. How would anyone who shouldnt be be noticed?
Fourthly where would you go? Nowhere is open!
and Fifth, even once the population is well covered with vaccine, a decision needs to be made about how to protect those who cannot be vaccinated for health reasons, who would be at a higher risk of serious complications. As a society are we happy to just say bad luck, either stay locked away in a little bubble or risk death?
I think you will be waiting a long time Ian . Apologetic Murdoch press is an oxymoron
what I am waiting for is Peta Cretin turning up at Gladys' press conferences
Yeah I'm not jumping on the Dan Andrews love train. His government has made a lot of blues in this pandemic. We still have have the vast majority of positive cases and deaths in Australia in Victoria. The hotel quarantine program was an abject disaster and he and his ministers' and bureaucrats' responses in the HQ whitewash er, I mean enquiry were disgraceful. An affront to every Victorian.
That said they have certainly improved and appear to be handling things a lot better; I support the current strategy. But I won't be bowing at the altar.
