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Legally not allowed but in reality there's many Indians who've taken up Australian citizenship without renouncing their Indian citizenship. The penalty if someone is caught travelling on their Indian Passport after taking up Australian citizenship is around the equivalent of AUD200 and it costs about the same to actually renounce their Indian citizenship.
That said if they do renounce their Indian Citizenship I believe that can still get an Overseas Citizenship of India Passport which allows them entry to India and residency but doesn't allow them to vote.
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Why the "sensibly"?
I have been living in Denmark for 30 years, have a Danish wife, and two (adult) sons who speak both Danish and English as fluent first languages. I have a lot of friends here in the same situation. Our kids feel very comfortable as Danes and Australians culturally. I have no desire myself to take on Danish citizenship but for people like our kids I think it is appropriate.
That said, some of those "kids" now have kids of their own and the grandparents (the above mentioned friends) are talking about dual citizenship for them. Not sure I agree with that. A line needs to be drawn somewhere, otherwise you would have a never-ending line of dual citizens - and in some cases there are more than two citizenships.
Footnote: Denmark did not allow dual citizenship either until about eight years ago but they do now. My sons who are both (well) over 18 now hold both passports - and have a certificate of Australian citizenship.
Please note this is not a major bugbear of mine and I don't want to debate it, but it's a rort that bestows privileges without obligation - travel, work, property ownership etc. I don't believe you as a permanent resident of Denmark should be entitled to influence Australian elections by voting.
As said, not losing sleep over it. It was more of an aside than anything.
Gladys marching to her own beat again & not shutting the city down. She's gotten lucky (or done well depending on your POV) previously.
Hopefully NSW gets on top of it again otherwise there's a chance we all pay..
Hopefully NSW gets on top of it again otherwise there's a chance we all pay..
I absolutely agree with that. I haven't voted in an Australian election since I left.
As a resident (even not being a citizen) I am allowed to vote in local Government elections in Denmark - and this is something which is considered more seriously here than it is in Australia. I am not allowed to vote in national elections.
Logically I think the eligibility to vote in elections (short term influence) should be linked to residence, but the eligibility to vote in a referendum (long term) should be linked to citizenship.
Then there is also the notion of whether or not you can vote for or against a government that is taxing you (and here, that is ALOT).
We keep hearing from the Feds that the State Governments agreed in March 2020 to manage hotel quarantine.
Well that may or may not be true but what we do know is since that supposed agreement with the State Premiers, the virus has been declared as airborne.
That's an hugely important difference that required a complete rethink of using CBD hotels as quarantine facilities.
The Government really had to step up & take responsibility for a dedicated quarantine facility off shore. That they haven't when Quarantine is a Federal responsibility in the constitution is absolutely damning.
Well that may or may not be true but what we do know is since that supposed agreement with the State Premiers, the virus has been declared as airborne.
That's an hugely important difference that required a complete rethink of using CBD hotels as quarantine facilities.
The Government really had to step up & take responsibility for a dedicated quarantine facility off shore. That they haven't when Quarantine is a Federal responsibility in the constitution is absolutely damning.
She has gotten very lucky (which is a great thing btw). But I am not comfortable that she goes about it differently than the other states. but I will also add that the other states react too much by shutting down if there are a couple of cases.
no one is questioning that the states put their hands up to take on hotel quarantine. But the question no one is asking is why did the federal government let them when the constitution clearly states it’s their responsibility?
My theory is that Morrison stuffed up the bushfire response so badly that he didn’t wanna see a repeat of the negative media should there be a stuff up. So he agreed to handball it to the states.
Seriously, after how many times can you call it lucky? Depending on your POV? By any objective measure what they've done with outbreaks has worked, all your post does is highlight your inherent bias. Their early adoption of QR code signing in and superior contact tracing has allowed this. Light years in front of us here in Vic.
Hardwick has marched to his own drum and got lucky three times in the last four years. Tinny.
I agree, there really should be more transparency around this. And some consensus. The national cabinet takes advice on covid from the AHPPC. This is composed of the CMO's of Aust and the states. I'd love to know what advice they are providing and have provided to the nat cab on quarantine.
Have you seen the size of Australia and how remote most of it is? Doesn't need to be offshore, we have plenty of remote land to build a few centres. Unless you mean Tasmania.
I think it's related to Ruby Princess. Feds blamed the State for allowing the passengers offshore without any sort of control and we ended up triggering Australia's big covid outbreak. Feds were spooked and decided that they didn't want that responsibility because it would look bad for them in the polls.
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If it’s on the mainland there’s a greater likelihood of transmission. Nothing is water tight but it would be better if there was a buffer off shore.
any raspberry jelly snakes migrating to your brain?
when someone is consistently lucky, its usually not luck.
I suspect they have the most competent response team in the land?
Just to clear up all the rumours about the vaccines:
First Shot: The microchip is injected and makes it's way to your brain and attaches itself to the primary auditory cortex.
Second Shot: The microchip is activated and you are plugged into "the Gates Network"
To test that activation has occurred, check your mobile phone to see if 5G is enabled.
do you start collecting little kids and stuffing them down the tunnels after the 1st or 2nd?
Yeah, see that's part of the confusion. You're instructions will start arriving once over 50% of the population have been activated. I doubt you'd be stuffing kids in tunnels. More likely to be delivering to high-end restaurants and food delivery kitchens.
