Agree. Ridiculous article. Yeah it’s all bad luck. Nothing to do with pathetic management of hotel quarantine and selfish aresholes ignoring the guidelines
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Yeah we did do quite a bit different. We completely *smile* up the management of the hotel quarantine program. That’s the main reason we are getting 150-300 cases every day through community transmission and the other states are getting virtually none.
If the rumours are true Andrews is in a lot of strife if this judicial enquiry is fair dinkum and not a whitewash.
Yep no articles about how the bushfires late last year early this year were just bad luck. It was all Scomo’s fault.
It is interesting that no-one seems to have focused on the fact that Australia wide we have 13 serious cases.This has not changed over the last 2 weeks. I would like to know their age and what other pre existing condition they may have. 12 million cases worldwide 7.5 million recovered 500k deaths . 80 per cent over 75.
I think the likes of mental health problems and suicide are going to take a greater toll on humanity than this first time called corona virus pandemic.
I think the likes of mental health problems and suicide are going to take a greater toll on humanity than this first time called corona virus pandemic.
We did but if you think other states didn’t do plenty wrong and not get punished you are incorrect
Perhaps, but given how much of the global population has gone under the wheels, maybe the seven other states and territories did something right that we didn't. All the states controlled it well initially. I think it all begins with having community transmission under the thumb before beginning to open up.
What I have learned is that it doesn’t take much In this pandemic to create a big problem. All our states did plenty right, including Victoria.
However I have posted before that the way public health is organised in Victoria as a very decentralised model versus the centralised model of other states is the thing that hurt us the most. It makes coordination more difficult.
I agree on the community transmissions and posted something similar a couple of days ago
Victoria is doing twice as many tests per day as NSW, the rest of the states doing SFA tests.
Who's to say it isn't in the community in other states? They would have a lot of trouble knowing if it is.
The other states should be ramping up their testing but they're not.
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Who's to say it isn't in the community in other states? They would have a lot of trouble knowing if it is.
The other states should be ramping up their testing but they're not.
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As i understand it Qld are only testing if the person has symptoms, even for australians returning from overseas.
In NSW it was pushed as mandatory for those returning overseas, even though up until last wek it was legally only recommended.
In Vic it was recommended but anecdotally sounds like it wasnt pushed sufficiently, hence the high refusal rate.
" do i have to be tested?"
QLD if youre not tested your not recorded
NSW - yes, no questions or i,ll shove the cotton bud further up ya nose
Vic - legally no, but its a good idea. Really it is
It appears that quarantine and the testing protocol was written when tests were available in low numbers, and being bought from a dodgy chinese contact in a warehouse in dubai. So it wasnt mandated.
And then not reviewed and updated.
In NSW it was pushed as mandatory for those returning overseas, even though up until last wek it was legally only recommended.
In Vic it was recommended but anecdotally sounds like it wasnt pushed sufficiently, hence the high refusal rate.
" do i have to be tested?"
QLD if youre not tested your not recorded
NSW - yes, no questions or i,ll shove the cotton bud further up ya nose
Vic - legally no, but its a good idea. Really it is
It appears that quarantine and the testing protocol was written when tests were available in low numbers, and being bought from a dodgy chinese contact in a warehouse in dubai. So it wasnt mandated.
And then not reviewed and updated.
If it was prevalent they'd be recording cases from people voluntarily getting tested. It doesn't stand to reason that there is a significant number of sick people who aren't being tested.
For example Queensland nearly trebled its testing for a week after the Victorian resurgence and found nothing.
Cases have pretty much flatlined in the other states for two months. We're on our own.
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I don't really see how that comment could be construed as an advocation for Trump methodology.
Below doesn't provide too much comfort in our contact tracing efforts
www.theage.com.au
Victoria's contact tracing system to be bolstered after string of failures
Other states and territories are poised to offer more help after Victorian health authorities failed on multiple occasions to inform close contacts of confirmed COVID-19 cases in a timely fashion.
Chinese virologist slams Beijing COVID-19 ‘cover-up’ (paywalled)
multiple writers
Herald Sun
July 10, 2020
A leading Chinese doctor, who specialises in virology and immunology, has fled Hong Kong for the United States to deliver a “message of the truth of COVID”, amid fears she will be ‘disappeared’.
Li-Meng Yan, who was based at the Hong Kong School of Public Health before fleeing overseas on April 28, believes China knew about the novel coronavirus well before its communist leadership has claimed it did.
She has also claimed her supervisors ignored research that could have saved countless lives.
Yan told Fox News, she feared she “will be disappeared and killed” because of her revelations but felt an obligation to tell the truth.
“The reason I came to the US is because I deliver the message of the truth of COVID,” she said.
Speaking to the news outlet from an undisclosed location, Yan said the coronavirus cover-up goes to the highest levels of the Chinese Communist Party and reveals the lengths President Xi Jinping has gone to in an attempt to control the narrative of COVID-19.
“The China government refused to let overseas experts, including ones in Hong Kong, do research in China,” Yan said.
“So I turned to my friends to get more information.”
Yan said she spoke to a friend at the Centre for Disease Control and Prevention in China on December 31, who said human-to-human transmission of the virus was possible, well before China or the WHO said it was.
On January 9, the WHO released a statement that leaned on information from Chinese authorities that said: “the virus in question can cause severe illness in some patients and does not transmit readily between people”.
That information, of course, has since been flipped 180 degrees.
Yan said shortly after that, her fellow medical professionals began to avoid talk about the virus, amid claims they had been warned not to speak about what was going on.
“We can’t talk about it, but we need to wear masks,’” Yan said she was told by fellow doctors.
“There are many, many patients who don’t get treatment on time and diagnosis on time,” Yan said.
“Hospital doctors are scared, but they cannot talk. CDC staff are scared.”
On January 16, when Yan again reported her findings on the virus to her supervisor she was allegedly told: “to keep silent and be careful”.
“He warned me before, ‘Don’t touch the red line [the government]. We will get in trouble and we’ll be disappeared.”
The claims back up the thoughts of many in the global scientific and political communities and pose even more questions about China’s and the World Health Organisation’s handling of the pandemic.
multiple writers
Herald Sun
July 10, 2020
A leading Chinese doctor, who specialises in virology and immunology, has fled Hong Kong for the United States to deliver a “message of the truth of COVID”, amid fears she will be ‘disappeared’.
Li-Meng Yan, who was based at the Hong Kong School of Public Health before fleeing overseas on April 28, believes China knew about the novel coronavirus well before its communist leadership has claimed it did.
She has also claimed her supervisors ignored research that could have saved countless lives.
Yan told Fox News, she feared she “will be disappeared and killed” because of her revelations but felt an obligation to tell the truth.
“The reason I came to the US is because I deliver the message of the truth of COVID,” she said.
Speaking to the news outlet from an undisclosed location, Yan said the coronavirus cover-up goes to the highest levels of the Chinese Communist Party and reveals the lengths President Xi Jinping has gone to in an attempt to control the narrative of COVID-19.
“The China government refused to let overseas experts, including ones in Hong Kong, do research in China,” Yan said.
“So I turned to my friends to get more information.”
Yan said she spoke to a friend at the Centre for Disease Control and Prevention in China on December 31, who said human-to-human transmission of the virus was possible, well before China or the WHO said it was.
On January 9, the WHO released a statement that leaned on information from Chinese authorities that said: “the virus in question can cause severe illness in some patients and does not transmit readily between people”.
That information, of course, has since been flipped 180 degrees.
Yan said shortly after that, her fellow medical professionals began to avoid talk about the virus, amid claims they had been warned not to speak about what was going on.
“We can’t talk about it, but we need to wear masks,’” Yan said she was told by fellow doctors.
“There are many, many patients who don’t get treatment on time and diagnosis on time,” Yan said.
“Hospital doctors are scared, but they cannot talk. CDC staff are scared.”
On January 16, when Yan again reported her findings on the virus to her supervisor she was allegedly told: “to keep silent and be careful”.
“He warned me before, ‘Don’t touch the red line [the government]. We will get in trouble and we’ll be disappeared.”
The claims back up the thoughts of many in the global scientific and political communities and pose even more questions about China’s and the World Health Organisation’s handling of the pandemic.
i find this kind of strange this 'Paper' decides to publish this now.
I've referenced Shi Zhengli - google her - on this thread before ...
here's a more recent article..
How China's 'Bat Woman' Hunted Down Viruses from SARS to the New Coronavirus
Wuhan-based virologist Shi Zhengli has identified dozens of deadly SARS-like viruses in bat caves, and she warns there are more out there
Below doesn't provide too much comfort in our contact tracing efforts
Victoria's contact tracing system to be bolstered after string of failures
Other states and territories are poised to offer more help after Victorian health authorities failed on multiple occasions to inform close contacts of confirmed COVID-19 cases in a timely fashion.
I have some sympathy regarding this. You have an outbreak of disease in which each positive has 7-9 contacts who need to be tracked down and monitored. Some may speak little or no English. As the work expands, the finite number of trained staff is stretched beyond capacity.
Whatever Stage 4 restrictions are, I wouldn't be averse to them for two weeks to stamp down on this thing before it gets properly out of control.
damn. I was worried Sydney may take off again due to being a big city. Hope they can keep it under control.
