For many they still need treatment and hospitalisation. The issue for this whole pandemic has been countries medical infrastructure blowing up.
Relevance? Or are you going to start quoting the road toll as well?
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Relevance? Or are you going to start quoting the road toll as well?
I'll accept your bet. How do you figure? They're 6th most deaths per million right now. 23rd most cases despite being only 62nd in tests per capita. 20,000 active cases makes them 19th. Only 91st in population count. Sweden is struggling economically just as much as everyone else. It's already way too late. I can't see under any circumstance whatsoever Sweden being the best model at the end of this. Sweden 3,529 deaths. Equivalent for Australia at the same rate would be over 8,800 deaths and it's far from over for Sweden. Based on deaths yesterday in Sweden that would be equivalent of another 1 day death toll of 175 in Australia. Would anyone seriously pass that as acceptable in Australia?
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Which is that? Asthma, Liver disease? Immunocompromised?
Or Obese? Sumo wrestlers are metabolically healthy obese. They are very active so there's little visceral fat buildup which is the killer fat. Their muscle makeup is huge. Metabolically they are healthy. They don't suffer from high rates of heart attack, stroke, diabetes etc that the typical morbidly obese suffer from.
Typical body fat % for a Sumo is between 25-30%. If they go above 38% they are forced to stop wrestling and to lose weight.
Those goes are powerhouses due to their muscle, not fat.
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Well fair's fair then, if we're going to sacrifice those with underlying conditions ie predominantly old people, we should also send to the firing squad those who appear to have a tendency to be suicidal. Terrible economical cost to the community that lot. But why stop there, the Aryan master race is the only perfect being to befit this world. Oh wait a minute....
Yeah sure you do MD, but I still don't get why people still bring this up. "Yes, thousands are dead but don't worry, many of them had underlying medical conditions".
Which turned into XP as they dumped the 95, 98, ME line.
Unfortunately Win10 drives me batty, too bloated.
MDJazz, just what exactly is more important than peoples' lives that you don't mind if they die?
DS
The jury is still out on Sweden, depending who you read of course. High relative rate of deaths, but mostly in aged care homes. Economy still largely open.
www.theguardian.com
As Europe emerges from lockdown, the question hangs: was Sweden right? | Simon Jenkins
Stockholm gambled in its response to coronavirus, but neither its economy nor its healthcare system has collapsed, says Guardian columnist Simon Jenkins
The jury is still out on Sweden, depending who you read of course. High relative rate of deaths, but mostly in aged care homes. Economy still largely open.
As Europe emerges from lockdown, the question hangs: was Sweden right? | Simon Jenkins
Stockholm gambled in its response to coronavirus, but neither its economy nor its healthcare system has collapsed, says Guardian columnist Simon Jenkins
The problem is that we don't know if having had the virus you gain immunity.
The jury will remain out on Sweden for a while. A second wave is likely and it will be interesting to see if Sweden fares better in a second wave (herd immunity working) or the same as everyone else.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but, at the time the virus hit the solution with the best chance of succeeding was to bring in restrictions.
We may not have great data now, but it is miles ahead of the data we had a couple of months ago.
DS
That some have held Sweden up as a shining exemplar of how to deal with the virus is partly why their approach has received so much focus/criticism, like the Nobel Prize winner who branded Australia a "standout loser" over its approach.
Yeah I don't really care so much about the point scoring. Personally I favour the more conservative approach of lockdown.
Very interesting. Thanks. Might use this argument with the missus next time I’m porking up. Happy to report I’ve used the lockdown to get up on the cusp of underweight on the BMI index. Giving up beer is all it took.
The jury is still out on Sweden, depending who you read of course. High relative rate of deaths, but mostly in aged care homes. Economy still largely open.
As Europe emerges from lockdown, the question hangs: was Sweden right? | Simon Jenkins
Stockholm gambled in its response to coronavirus, but neither its economy nor its healthcare system has collapsed, says Guardian columnist Simon Jenkins
Another 117 dead. With USs population that would be the equivalent of almost 4000 per day. There's no jury out here. Worst outcome possible death wise and unfortunately for Sweden it's far from over for deaths. Economically they're still hurting and GDP is being hit a similar percentage to neighbouring countries. Sweden has very high single living residences and low density and low levels of obesity. Overall their lifestyle is quite anti social. If it was going to work anywhere with a decent population Sweden would be it but it's not. Even their medical expert who dreamt up this dastardly plan says he's not sure they made the right decision and admitted they hadn't done enough for the elderly so now announced hundreds of mlllions of dollars to invest in elderly management. Too little too late.
Case count (8am)
4,616,790 cases
307,959 deaths (6.67%)
45,021 severe (1%)
2,521,555 mild (55%)
1,742,255 recovered (38%)
4,616,790 cases
307,959 deaths (6.67%)
45,021 severe (1%)
2,521,555 mild (55%)
1,742,255 recovered (38%)
Good arguments TL. The jury is still out on everyone's approach now. As European countries start to relax restrictions my big fear is a second wave of infection.
I'm worried about that here. Without restrictions, those 15 Cedar meatworks cases could quickly have become 1500.
The Australian public has done a great job so far, but we do have a tendency to get complacent. Combine that with Morrison's big business masters demanding everyone go back to work, and his ideological opposition to helping people, coming into flu season with Jobkeeper and Jobseeker set to be cut asap if not sooner, it'll be dumb Aussie luck if we don't see a spike in cases. In fact, Morrison has already stated we will, via schools, only a few days after he bravely choked back the crocodile tears he paid the empathy consultant 190,000 taxpayer dollars to advise him to work up.
But have life expectancies around 10-15 years shorter than the average Japanese man.
My point on youth/corona is that young people are at greater risk from other preventable causes of death than the virus and that the decisions to protect the mostly older and frail will be at a cost. That will be greater suicides in all age brackets. These are horrific choices governments are making. They are not mutually exclusive. Those arguing for longer lockdowns, tighter restrictions, not opening up of business etc should know those choices will cost lives. Just as opening up will cost lives. Which are more important? All those saying every life is important must know this shutdown is saving lives at the cost of lives?
I reckon most wanting more cautious approaches have a job and haven’t been hit financially. I’m still working and in many ways life is “better” for me. Less road traffic, more time with family, more time doing jobs around the house that never get done, less time at the in-laws. There is no downside. But for millions of Australians this is a disaster. And especially young people. They are the least at risk health wise but possibly the most affected. They are the most likely to have had their education interrupted and to have lost their job. Everyone’s worried about the old and frail what about the youth? Not only do they have climate change to deal with now they’ve got a massive debt issue to carry as part of their future.
Perhaps we will get more money spent on mental health as part of the recovery plan (let’s hope so) but I see these posts quoting the rare young person with corona as a little short sighted.
