Yeah pointing out that you believe the science on COVID-19 which I don't doubt either, but question and undermine and sow doubt when it suits on climate change must be a pain in the arse. But if you want someone to blame, get a mirror.
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Yeah pointing out that you believe the science on COVID-19 which I don't doubt either, but question and undermine and sow doubt when it suits on climate change must be a pain in the arse. But if you want someone to blame, get a mirror.
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Are you missing a chromosome? What "science on COVID-19" am I supposedly invested in? It's highly contagious and a risk to life. The end.
Clean the sand from your vagina and stick to topic.
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Case count excluding China/Diamond Princess (updated 11pm)
3,366 cases
63 deaths (1.87%)
89 severe (3%)
2,905 mild (86%)
309 recovered (9%)
3,366 cases
63 deaths (1.87%)
89 severe (3%)
2,905 mild (86%)
309 recovered (9%)
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Just out of brain fart boredom I spent a few minutes rummaging around.
World war 1 about 40 million casualties, 20 mill dead 20 mill wounded.
Spanish flu about 500 mill infected, between 20 - 50 mill dead.
Black plague about 25 mill dead over the centuries, London alone in 1665-6, 70 thou dead.
World war 2 about 75 mill dead.
Korean war about 5 mill dead.
Vietnam war about 3.5 mill dead.
U.S.A. gun fatalities in 2017, 40 thou dead, approx 250 thou world wide.
Coroner virus, phhhhhhht. Just a bad hair day so far, time to buy a cheap hat.
World war 1 about 40 million casualties, 20 mill dead 20 mill wounded.
Spanish flu about 500 mill infected, between 20 - 50 mill dead.
Black plague about 25 mill dead over the centuries, London alone in 1665-6, 70 thou dead.
World war 2 about 75 mill dead.
Korean war about 5 mill dead.
Vietnam war about 3.5 mill dead.
U.S.A. gun fatalities in 2017, 40 thou dead, approx 250 thou world wide.
Coroner virus, phhhhhhht. Just a bad hair day so far, time to buy a cheap hat.
Possibly, but it could be just another version of a flu type virus. Sweep through every couple of years n kick arse a bit on mainly the old n unhealthy.
Close enough to 8 billion people all rummaging around nowadays n we don't really do much blowing up of one another any more, so there's not really any proper culling of the over population if we don't have a serious virus or proper plague cleaning out the pipes once in a while.
I’ve started to stock up on Rum, it’s never failed me yet.................that I can remember.
You could end up being right of course, but I reckon the PM activating a national emergency plan tells you all you need to know. He might be pre-empting the WHO so he doesn't look like he's been slow to move, but it hasn't happened before in my lifetime.
Then there is this, which to me seems a concession of defeat.
Questions over home isolation rules for Chinese students returning to Australia
Sue Dunleavy, Natalie Wolfe, Ellen Whinnett
Herald Sun
February 27, 2020
Government guidelines are telling quarantined Chinese students to “walk quickly” past members of the public under loose rules that could potentially spread the deadly coronavirus.
Hundreds of Chinese Year 11 and 12 school students hosted by Aussie families are expected to arrive in Australia shortly to continue their studies but they will have to be in home isolation for 14 days after arriving from China.
The students will be living in the same household as Australian families who are allowed out into the community to go to work and to school every day – even though they are cohabiting with someone who potentially has the coronavirus.
The slack quarantine rules recommend the Chinese student stays in their own room and to “walk quickly “if they have to cross commonly used spaces in the hosts home.
If possible they should use their own bathroom but this is not compulsory.
“If the student lives in an apartment it is also safe for them to go outside into the garden while wearing a surgical mask. They should, however, go quickly through any common areas on the way to the garden. They should wear a surgical mask if they have to move through these areas,” the guidelines said.
State and federal governments last week agreed to lift the travel ban to allow Chinese students enrolled in Year 11 and 12 courses in Australia into the country because of strict rules that require them to physically attend school to gain their qualification.
Students from Hubei province in China, the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak, will not be allowed into Australia under the relaxation of the rule.
Federal Education Minister Dan Tehan estimated around 760 Chinese students could be allowed into Australia if they met strict criteria including being tested for the virus before they left China and again when they arrived here.
They must then undergo home isolation for 14 days before being allowed to attend school.
Victoria’s Education Minister James Merlino has said there are 389 Chinese students enrolled in the state’s VCE that could come to Australia as a result of the rule change.
In New South Wales the number is around 153 and other state and territories have a smaller number.
Victorian Government quarantine rules state the families that host these students do not have to quarantine themselves from the community nor do they even have to wear a mask while in the community.
“Other members of the household are not required to be isolated unless they have also travelled to mainland China in the past 14 days, or have been in close contact with a confirmed case of COVID-19. Other members of the household do not need to wear a mask at any time,” the guidelines issued by Victoria’s Department of Health state.
Federal Department of Health guidelines for students say students in isolation only need to wear a mask when they develop symptoms of the virus and when this happens should try to use a separate bathroom.
“Do not see visitors. Where possible, ask others such as friends or family, who are not required to be isolated, to get food or other necessities,” the federal guidelines state.
Griffith University Infectious diseases exert Paul Van Buynder said the guidelines were working on the principle that the virus was only transmitted once a person began displaying symptoms.
“It’s totally dependent on how well we are monitoring them,” he said.
“If they can’t transmit until they have symptoms it is safe.”
Walk quickly all the way back to China more like it.
Seriously harder to get a dog into the country.
Seriously harder to get a dog into the country.
Everyone will get coronavirus, virologist warns as Scott Morrison activates pandemic plan
Geoff Chambers
The Australian
February 27, 2019
Scott Morrison has moved ahead of international health authorities to activate a pandemic plan, as one of Australia’s leading virologists declared everyone will eventually contract coronavirus, but for most it will be no worse than a bad cold.
The Prime Minister warned on Thursday that the threat of the virus was “very much upon us”, saying the government was triggering preparations for fever clinics, aged-care home lockdowns and increased medical stockpiles.
University of Queensland professor Ian Mackay said it was unrealistic to expect that the COVID-19 virus could be contained. All countries should prepare for how they would manage an influx of cases, he said.
“It doesn’t look like this virus is ever going to go back in its box,” Professor Mackay said.
“And so we’re likely to have the virus become what we call an endemic virus, or a virus that’s just with us for life.
“We already have four of these coronaviruses, mostly causing colds. We get them every year. They peak during winter but they still move around between us during the rest of the year as well. So it’s likely this might become one of those.”
Professor Mackay said if that was the case, “at some point in the coming months or years we’re all going to get infected because we’ve all been infected by these other endemic viruses”.
“We know that they just spread among us,” he said.
The government’s emergency response plan will give sweeping powers to federal and state governments to contain the virus if outbreaks occur, similar to those in Iran, Italy, Japan and South Korea.
The Prime Minister flagged “very significant economic implications” as the health crisis escalated and will implement Treasury stimulus plans to support affected sectors.
Mr Morrison, who clashed with Anthony Albanese after accusing the Opposition Leader of playing politics with the crisis, said the states and territories needed to fill any gaps in their pandemic plans and ramp up preparations for a potential community outbreak.
“We believe that the risk of a global pandemic is very much upon us and, as a result, as a government, we need to take the steps necessary to prepare for such a pandemic,” Mr Morrison said.
The emergency response was accelerated as the rate of coronavirus transmission outside China rapidly increased over a 24-hour period. There are now more than 82,000 cases of coronavirus as the outbreak worsened, with more than 1700 people with the disease in South Korea and more than 450 cases in Italy.
US President Donald Trump also ramped up his coronavirus response, instructing Vice-President Mike Pence to lead operations to combat the disease.
Mr Morrison, who held a three-hour national security committee of cabinet meeting on Thursday morning, said Josh Frydenberg and Treasury secretary Steven Kennedy were working on economic strategies that were “targeted, modest and scalable”.
After extending the travel ban on foreign nationals travelling to Australia from China for another week, Mr Morrison said the government was examining plans to support the tourism, education, marine and export sectors, and how best to address “supply chain breakdowns”.
Health Minister Greg Hunt will meet state and territory counterparts on Friday to formalise the roles of both levels of government if a pandemic hits Australia.
“We are doing all of that work across medical stockpile, personal protective equipment, supply chain, in particular personnel,” Mr Hunt said.
“One of the things we’re most focused on is to make sure that we have the personnel capacity if there is a surge within our hospitals and medical system.”
The emergency response plan provides a blueprint for states and territories on how to deal with a coronavirus outbreak.
It also details pandemic scenarios, including the most severe in which hospitals will be forced to divert resources away from blood and diagnostic services to deal with the outbreak.
Under the plan’s implementation, Mr Hunt, Education Minister Dan Tehan and Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton will be given more power to co-ordinate multi-government efforts to contain any coronavirus pandemic.
There will be additional screenings at airports for flights from multiple countries and contingency plans will be set up for aged-care facilities, including locking them down in the event of an outbreak. Medical stockpiles will be prepared for a pandemic and there will be efforts to ensure medical professionals have the necessary protective equipment.
Mr Hunt would not say whether the states would now have powers to recall medical professionals from leave to staff hospitals, but said it would be likely part of further COAG discussions.
Preparing for a significant budget shock in May, Mr Morrison said the breakdown in supply chains and travel across multiple sectors would “have a very real effect” on the economy. “Already, coronavirus has taken more lives than SARS and MERS put together but the mortality rate on both of those previous conditions were much higher,” he said.
Mr Morrison said calls from economists and industry leaders for “broader larger fiscal stimulus-type responses” was not the advice the government was receiving from Treasury.
Despite being under pressure from the universities sector to allow some Chinese students into Australia, Mr Morrison said the one-week travel ban approved by the national security committee did not include “carve-outs” and would be reviewed next Thursday.
Labor had earlier refused to grant Mr Morrison, Mr Hunt and other national security committee ministers pairings in the House of Representatives, resulting in the meeting being interrupted on seven occasions.
Expressing disappointment in Mr Albanese’s comments following question time, Mr Morrison rejected the Labor leader’s claim that briefings had not been made available to opposition MPs.
Mr Hunt said there was a coronavirus briefing for opposition health spokesman Chris Bowen and Mr Albanese on Wednesday, which the Opposition Leader did not attend. Mr Albanese delivered a speech at a National Rugby League event around the same time as the briefing.
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So we just allow it to spread? Not fight it like China? Do a lay down Sally?
Is it maybe better to get it early, before medical resources are at capacity?
Geoff Chambers
The Australian
February 27, 2019
Scott Morrison has moved ahead of international health authorities to activate a pandemic plan, as one of Australia’s leading virologists declared everyone will eventually contract coronavirus, but for most it will be no worse than a bad cold.
The Prime Minister warned on Thursday that the threat of the virus was “very much upon us”, saying the government was triggering preparations for fever clinics, aged-care home lockdowns and increased medical stockpiles.
University of Queensland professor Ian Mackay said it was unrealistic to expect that the COVID-19 virus could be contained. All countries should prepare for how they would manage an influx of cases, he said.
“It doesn’t look like this virus is ever going to go back in its box,” Professor Mackay said.
“And so we’re likely to have the virus become what we call an endemic virus, or a virus that’s just with us for life.
“We already have four of these coronaviruses, mostly causing colds. We get them every year. They peak during winter but they still move around between us during the rest of the year as well. So it’s likely this might become one of those.”
Professor Mackay said if that was the case, “at some point in the coming months or years we’re all going to get infected because we’ve all been infected by these other endemic viruses”.
“We know that they just spread among us,” he said.
The government’s emergency response plan will give sweeping powers to federal and state governments to contain the virus if outbreaks occur, similar to those in Iran, Italy, Japan and South Korea.
The Prime Minister flagged “very significant economic implications” as the health crisis escalated and will implement Treasury stimulus plans to support affected sectors.
Mr Morrison, who clashed with Anthony Albanese after accusing the Opposition Leader of playing politics with the crisis, said the states and territories needed to fill any gaps in their pandemic plans and ramp up preparations for a potential community outbreak.
“We believe that the risk of a global pandemic is very much upon us and, as a result, as a government, we need to take the steps necessary to prepare for such a pandemic,” Mr Morrison said.
The emergency response was accelerated as the rate of coronavirus transmission outside China rapidly increased over a 24-hour period. There are now more than 82,000 cases of coronavirus as the outbreak worsened, with more than 1700 people with the disease in South Korea and more than 450 cases in Italy.
US President Donald Trump also ramped up his coronavirus response, instructing Vice-President Mike Pence to lead operations to combat the disease.
Mr Morrison, who held a three-hour national security committee of cabinet meeting on Thursday morning, said Josh Frydenberg and Treasury secretary Steven Kennedy were working on economic strategies that were “targeted, modest and scalable”.
After extending the travel ban on foreign nationals travelling to Australia from China for another week, Mr Morrison said the government was examining plans to support the tourism, education, marine and export sectors, and how best to address “supply chain breakdowns”.
Health Minister Greg Hunt will meet state and territory counterparts on Friday to formalise the roles of both levels of government if a pandemic hits Australia.
“We are doing all of that work across medical stockpile, personal protective equipment, supply chain, in particular personnel,” Mr Hunt said.
“One of the things we’re most focused on is to make sure that we have the personnel capacity if there is a surge within our hospitals and medical system.”
The emergency response plan provides a blueprint for states and territories on how to deal with a coronavirus outbreak.
It also details pandemic scenarios, including the most severe in which hospitals will be forced to divert resources away from blood and diagnostic services to deal with the outbreak.
Under the plan’s implementation, Mr Hunt, Education Minister Dan Tehan and Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton will be given more power to co-ordinate multi-government efforts to contain any coronavirus pandemic.
There will be additional screenings at airports for flights from multiple countries and contingency plans will be set up for aged-care facilities, including locking them down in the event of an outbreak. Medical stockpiles will be prepared for a pandemic and there will be efforts to ensure medical professionals have the necessary protective equipment.
Mr Hunt would not say whether the states would now have powers to recall medical professionals from leave to staff hospitals, but said it would be likely part of further COAG discussions.
Preparing for a significant budget shock in May, Mr Morrison said the breakdown in supply chains and travel across multiple sectors would “have a very real effect” on the economy. “Already, coronavirus has taken more lives than SARS and MERS put together but the mortality rate on both of those previous conditions were much higher,” he said.
Mr Morrison said calls from economists and industry leaders for “broader larger fiscal stimulus-type responses” was not the advice the government was receiving from Treasury.
Despite being under pressure from the universities sector to allow some Chinese students into Australia, Mr Morrison said the one-week travel ban approved by the national security committee did not include “carve-outs” and would be reviewed next Thursday.
Labor had earlier refused to grant Mr Morrison, Mr Hunt and other national security committee ministers pairings in the House of Representatives, resulting in the meeting being interrupted on seven occasions.
Expressing disappointment in Mr Albanese’s comments following question time, Mr Morrison rejected the Labor leader’s claim that briefings had not been made available to opposition MPs.
Mr Hunt said there was a coronavirus briefing for opposition health spokesman Chris Bowen and Mr Albanese on Wednesday, which the Opposition Leader did not attend. Mr Albanese delivered a speech at a National Rugby League event around the same time as the briefing.
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So we just allow it to spread? Not fight it like China? Do a lay down Sally?
Is it maybe better to get it early, before medical resources are at capacity?
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Yeah because initially it was thought it could be transmitted by mosquitoes. And it was a death sentence.
Essentially why the blood rule was introduced to footy.
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There are plenty of examples of things that kill more people but the actions now are not about what Covid-19 is now not what it could be.
if 100 million people are infected 2-3 million people will die and if we (the all of us we) don’t take the sort of actions that are happening now.
I am working in and around public health and believe me the actions being taken and planning is way out of proportion to what it is now and if the worst case doesn’t happen it will be because of these actions, not because it can’t happen.
The danger is in countries with poor public health systems and to me it is incumbent on rich countries to help them, if not for any other reason but to protect ourselves given the global movement of people these days.
now that there are 400 or so cases in Italy, I'm really worried the government is gonna do something stupid like travel bans to Europe and/or quarantine people coming back from Europe. thankfully my trip is still 5 months away and hopefully the panic has died down by then.
I’m concerned about the potential decay of law & order if a swathe of the police force is in quarantine for weeks at a time.
Denmark, Netherlands, Estonia and the Republic of San Marino the latest to join the club. 52 countries now affected/owning up to infections.
Germany 27 => 48 in a day
France 18 => 38
Spain 13 => 25
Denmark, Netherlands, Estonia and the Republic of San Marino the latest to join the club. 52 countries now affected/owning up to infections.
Germany 27 => 48 in a day
France 18 => 38
Spain 13 => 25
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