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They don't enforce indoor mask wearing anywhere in Melb. Heaps of people in supermarkets not wearing masks. Pubs and restaurants don't bother either. We wont be far behind NSW. Not sure what the answer is. One thing is its not Scomo running the show.
Do they work?? Think I'll still prefer to take my jabs in the arm, but maybe as a booster shot it might be exciting.
Mask mandates will come back in post Christmas, back it in.
Victoria will have 2-3000 cases a day within the next few weeks. We need to hope that hospitalisations don’t follow the case numbers. That’s what has happened elsewhere so fingers crossed.
The rest of the country won’t be immune, it’s going to blow in other states as well.
This is the inevitability of opening up but we are a very highly vaccinated country.
This is the consequence of what we wanted. ( I am not saying we are wrong btw) What we can do however is basic public health measures like mask wearing and some social distancing. They won’t stop this surge but they will restrict it.
All the modeling and evidence around the world shows basic public health measures bring down the Reinfection rate. Mask wearing is such a small price to pay in the end
Good analogy,
Made me remember a sex ed class in the late 80's
Featuring dental dams?
An oral sex safety device, Essentially performing cunninglingus through a busted balloon.
Ive never seen or heard of them since
And I can remember thinking, surely you could count the times these things have actually been used ever on one butchers hand?
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If thats all we need to do then I think most people would be comfortable with that.
Doesn't help anything when we get these ridiculous models that say by the end of Jan we will be at 200-250k cases per day in Australia. None of the models by the Doherty institute or many of those modelling Covid around the world have even come close to being right, but that doesn't seem to stop them pedalling this stuff out every couple of months without changing their clearly flawed assumptions.
Nor the governments using them to base their decisions on. It seems any real world positivity coming out of South Africa regarding the Omicron variant just takes a back seat to the models of the 'experts'.
I read some of the Doherty insitute modelling today, and they have factored in the increased transmission rate of Omicron but they have kept the severity calculation the same as Delta (already proven false, they were saying we'd have had thousands of deaths by now only a few months ago) as they wanted to be "conservative" but these are the people advising the government. All the downside, none of the upside and therefore just factoring in worst case scenario.
Its the old boy who cried wolf. No one (other than the media) believes these "models" anymore. You'd probably know more than us living in the UK, but the UK models have been proven to be wrong over and over all the way through the pandemic, why these institutes now think we should take account of what they say astounds me, its the pure definition of arrogance on their behalf.
Modelling is worst case scenario, otherwise decisions don't get made. Have a read:
My Twitter conversation with the chairman of the Sage Covid modelling committee
The latest Sage papers have been published, envisaging anything from 200 to 6,000 deaths a day from Omicron depending on how many more restrictions we’ll get — up to and very much including another lockdown. Earlier today I had an unexpected chance to ask questions of Graham Medley, the chair of...
www.spectator.co.uk
Yeah mask wearing isn't being enforced in any places I've been to recently, although i did go to Chadstone a couple of weeks ago and a security guard handing out masks to those without them at the entrance.
I just think that mask wearing is such a simple thing to do that they might as well mandate it again in all public indoor settings. I doubt it'll be policed much if at all but making it official would increase compliance in public places. Scomo's recent anti-lockdown comments were typically irresponsible, if the ICU's do fill up to capacity there's not going to be much of a choice. Fingers crossed this variant is milder, the hospitals can cope and we don't have to go back into any sort of lockdown, but until we know for sure I reckon some of the simpler measures to minimise the spread should return.
The modelling has got a bad rap but the general public gets to hear about the extreme scenarios, the models have ranges and some of what are called mild scenarios are pretty close to what has happened. The Burnett modelling for the time after relaxing the rules has been pretty accurate in the mild scenario except for a couple of things.
1. It hasn't taken into account Omicron as it was not a factor when the modelling was done
2. Hospitalisation rates have been lower because the length people have stayed in hospital has been much shorter on average than expected and Victoria in particular has run a very successful program of home based care for COVID positive people. Less people were in hospital at any one time than modelled but they were and are still very significant numbers.
I expect up to 10,000 cases a day in Victoria in 4-6 weeks but the hope is that evidence from other countries will hold here which is that hospitalisation rates will not follow cases. What we will see if that happens is a hospital system that is barely able to cope (as the unvaccinated will get sick in droves) but a massive drain on vaccination, testing and pathology services. I have no doubt mask mandates indoors will come back and there will be social distancing rules at venues etc. These will help.
Our federal Government's response to this has been to reduce the medicare fee for vaccination boosters below that paid for the initial doses so that GPs and Pharmacists struggle to break even when they vaccinate and secondly to get rid of all but one Medicare code for telephone consults so that our GP waiting rooms will be flooded with sick patients who can't do video consults. Both of these are just incredibly dumb decisions right now.
1. It hasn't taken into account Omicron as it was not a factor when the modelling was done
2. Hospitalisation rates have been lower because the length people have stayed in hospital has been much shorter on average than expected and Victoria in particular has run a very successful program of home based care for COVID positive people. Less people were in hospital at any one time than modelled but they were and are still very significant numbers.
I expect up to 10,000 cases a day in Victoria in 4-6 weeks but the hope is that evidence from other countries will hold here which is that hospitalisation rates will not follow cases. What we will see if that happens is a hospital system that is barely able to cope (as the unvaccinated will get sick in droves) but a massive drain on vaccination, testing and pathology services. I have no doubt mask mandates indoors will come back and there will be social distancing rules at venues etc. These will help.
Our federal Government's response to this has been to reduce the medicare fee for vaccination boosters below that paid for the initial doses so that GPs and Pharmacists struggle to break even when they vaccinate and secondly to get rid of all but one Medicare code for telephone consults so that our GP waiting rooms will be flooded with sick patients who can't do video consults. Both of these are just incredibly dumb decisions right now.
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so anyway, my work Xmas party was last Friday. i didn’t go because I was still quarantine. The restaurant is now an exposure site. With testing sites stretched in the leadup to Xmas, I’m expecting everyone to be off for the rest of the week. our work Xmas volumes are 33% higher than last years records. crazy times.
There’s growing evidence that AstraZeneca is the least effective vaccine against the new variant.
Yes that’s right the one our Federal Government put all the eggs in one basket for our most vulnerable. It’s concerning. This vaccine has had the most problems. Never forget Morrison was first in the queue to get a Pfizer shot though.
Now the messaging is ‘personal responsibility’ from the Libs. No wonder cause they don’t want to take any for this steadily growing mess as we head towards an election.
The booster program needs saturated marketing & every available resource thrown at it but they seem loathe to do either.
Yes that’s right the one our Federal Government put all the eggs in one basket for our most vulnerable. It’s concerning. This vaccine has had the most problems. Never forget Morrison was first in the queue to get a Pfizer shot though.
Now the messaging is ‘personal responsibility’ from the Libs. No wonder cause they don’t want to take any for this steadily growing mess as we head towards an election.
The booster program needs saturated marketing & every available resource thrown at it but they seem loathe to do either.
Morrison and Perrottet talk about personal responsibility. I guess that means they are dumping the indue card? And have no issue with abortion or assisted suicide? Riiiiiiiiiiight.
Promising...
www.abc.net.au
Researchers think they've found a way to combat COVID-19 using a common blood thinner
A trial of a nasal spray as a preventative treatment for COVID-19 will run for six months in Victoria. If it's a success, the spray could be distributed across the world.
www.abc.net.au
the Libs core ideology is so bankrupt.
Its 'small government' when it comes to spending;
'big government' when it comes to subsidising business, handing out public minerals or water to their family and friends, or deporting people
and 'what government?' when it comes to accountibility.
Anyone who votes for them, who doesnt own a coal mine or a cotton farm or plan on tendering for a secret govt contract,
Is a) stupid, or b) a *smile*
