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iLoVeNeWmAn said:
jumping into this debate for no apparent reason however when looking at Covid deaths, one must understand that the deaths attributed to Covid are in fact false. The vast majority may have died WITH Covid in their system, but no from Covid.

On the contrary, the majority of deaths associated with the vax are directly from the vax.
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If someone with terminal cancer dies in a car crash, what is the cause of death?

Anti-vaxxers have jumped on this splitting hairs difference of dying from or dying with COVID as some sort of reason to downplay the importance of vaccines. The reality is that those people are dying at younger age due to contracting COVID.

People also don't die from the AIDS virus either but I don't recall anyone trying to say well, they only died with the AIDS virus, not from it so those statistics are misleading.
 
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jb03 said:
If someone with terminal cancer dies in a car crash, what is the cause of death?

Anti-vaxxers have jumped on this splitting hairs difference of dying from or dying with COVID as some sort of reason to downplay the importance of vaccines. The reality is that those people are dying at younger age due to contracting COVID.

People also don't die from the AIDS virus either but I don't recall anyone trying to say well, they only died with the AIDS virus, not from it so those statistics are misleading.
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Its a Cult.

Its exactly the same unfathomable collision of pursuasion, vulnerability, charisma, timing, psychosis, history, etc

that has people believing

'if we give this nasty bloke with white teeth and shiny eyes and a beard all our money and send our wives to *smile* him and do all the work and live in really *smile* abusive conditions, if we drink the poisonous Kool-Aid, we will live on a paradisical cloud for eternity while 'they' all burn in hell'

A Cult.

But Charles Manson and Co. had to actually, physically, identify, find and seduce and hypnotise the broken, the stupid, the vulnerable and the psychologically frail. They had to house and feed them. It was relatively hard work

These days its a Facebook algorithm.

The bit I havnt worked out, is Cults always have one old bloke rooting heaps of young and good looking girls.

But Mark Zuckerberg isn't literally rooting anyone.

DO the two-bob leaders on the ground at the anti-vax, trump won, rallys,

take 2-3 of the sexiest young loons home for the slippery truth ceremony?
 
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I posted quite a while ago something that I heard at a presentation from an eminent infectious diseases expert. It may be a little out of date now but would still be about right.
He said that the instances of the thrombosis that has been known to occur from an AZ vaccination is about 1 in 25000. At that time the mortality after getting the thrombosis in Australia was 4% which means your chances of dying from an AZ vaccine is 1 in 1 million.
To put that in context the approximate chances of someone dying in a plane crash when they get on a plane is 1 in 9 million.
I’ll take those odds against getting COVID any day
 
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So a GWS player has tested positive to COVID and the AFL site decides NOT to name the player but they were happy to name the 2 Richmond players who tested positive.

Standards….. double …. Nah it’s just Richmond.
 
mrposhman said:
I was about to say the exact same thing, but you put it much more eloquently than I probably would.

Thanks to Newys thoughts, we now know that cancer doesn't really kill anyone, great to know. No need to fear the cancer then. I guess I'd better go back and start saying my mum died from pneumonia then being as thats what killed her rather than the cancer that ravaged her body (but didn't "technically" kill her).
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And my dad died on the operating table after complications from having a tumour removed. But the cancer didn’t kill him :rolleyes:
 
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Met at an equestrian centre to discuss alternate therapies and caught COVID . . . is that the Karma bus I just saw go by?

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Baloo said:
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Is this total deaths or covid deaths? Again its correlation vs causation - potentially SK in lockdown to get low vax and low death.

I find the total rate of death (e.g. per 10,000) for each vaccination population, by age and for a fixed region the most compelling set of information as it holds many factors constant that otherwise can muddy the numbers you are looking at. It either confuses folks or leads to the numbers getting misused if correlations are presented that conflate these factors.

For e.g. for the crusaders - an antivax person can cherry pick the SK data and compare to LT, as much as provax can look at the general trend here. Confirmation bias is a *smile* as has been pointed out.

With that said when the rate numbers are presented, per the spreadsheet lamby shared, they are extremely compelling.
 
RoarEmotion said:
Is this total deaths or covid deaths? Again its correlation vs causation - potentially SK in lockdown to get low vax and low death.
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Dunno. I thought posting random stats and letting others decipher them was par for course on this thread. Or is that just for anti-vaxxers?
 
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RoarEmotion said:
Is this total deaths or covid deaths? Again its correlation vs causation - potentially SK in lockdown to get low vax and low death.

I find the total rate of death (e.g. per 10,000) for each vaccination population, by age and for a fixed region the most compelling set of information as it holds many factors constant that otherwise can muddy the numbers you are looking at. It either confuses folks or leads to the numbers getting misused if correlations are presented that conflate these factors.

For e.g. for the crusaders - an antivax person can cherry pick the SK data and compare to LT, as much as provax can look at the general trend here. Confirmation bias is a *smile* as has been pointed out.

With that said when the rate numbers are presented, per the spreadsheet lamby shared, they are extremely compelling.
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I believe SK is Slovakia:

Slovakia​

Slovakia declared a 90-day state of emergency and a two-week lockdown following a spike in COVID-19 cases that saw the country’s seven-day average of cases rise above 10,000.

The central European country is currently in the midst of the world’s fastest rise in infections, and the measures, which include closing all non-essential stores, as well as bars and restaurants, are meant to help the struggling healthcare system.

The decision came after president Zuzana Čaputová addressed the nation on Tuesday, saying that “Slovakia is losing the battle against COVID.” She also explained that the lockdown was needed as the healthcare staff became overworked, and the strain on the hospitals became almost unbearable.

During the two-week lockdown, people will be allowed to leave their homes only for specific reasons, such as buying groceries, travelling to work and school, or getting vaccinated.

Those still unvaccinated will be required to have a test or proof that they have had COVID-19 in order to get to work.

Just 45.3% of the 5.5 million population is fully vaccinated.

Thousands in both Czech and Slovakian capitals, Prague and Bratislava, used last week's anniversary of the 1989 anti-communist Velvet Revolution to rally against their government’s coronavirus restrictions.

www.euronews.com

COVID in Europe: Netherlands to reopen shops and hairdressers

Here's a round-up of the COVID situation across Europe.
www.euronews.com www.euronews.com
 
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