China

[Mr T.]

Haha. Leaders in the Arab world don't give a stuff about Uighurs. In fact, most of them don't give a stuff about any Muslims who aren't Arab.

At least Turkey has had some dignity on the issue. The rest of the Muslim world has given silent consent.

Read somewhere that Turkey taking some fat envelopes from China for their silence so I don’t see dignity, point out where in the article it connects dignity with Turkey? Uighur are a minority to the Turks like the Kurds, they both straddle their border and are seen as a threat.

 

[tigerman]

I'm far from being a supporter of the CCP actions and policies, but Trump, Morrison and the Western would be well advised if they more diplomatic when it comes to China, and Asia for that matter.

It's probably been mentioned earlier in the thread, but "saving face" is very important to Asians. Rubbing their noses in it, isn't the way to get results when showing displeasure of political differences.

Trump's and to a lesser extent Morrison's megaphone approach is not the way they should be dealing with China.

 

[Tigers of Old]

I'm far from being a supporter of the CCP actions and policies, but Trump, Morrison and the Western would be well advised if they more diplomatic when it comes to China, and Asia for that matter.

It's probably been mentioned earlier in the thread, but "saving face" is very important to Asians. Rubbing their noses in it, isn't the way to get results when showing displeasure of political differences.

Trump's and to a lesser extent Morrison's megaphone approach is not the way they should be dealing with China.

So we should let them do what they want without scrutiny to so they can 'save face'?
Good luck with that.
They'll take a mile if you take that approach. We need to 'save face' too.

 

[tigerman]

So we should let them do what they want without scrutiny to so they can 'save face'?
Good luck with that.
They'll take a mile if you take that approach. We need to 'save face' too.

All I'm saying is, get on the phone, not the megaphone.

Edit

An example of what mean is...... Trump calling Covid the China virus, and Kung Flu.
We all know where it came from, just call it by it's name instead of rubbing there noses in it.

 

[waiting]

Not good. China has no eyes on them now.

'It felt very, very political': ABC reporter evacuated from China after being interrogated by police

The ABC's China correspondent says he felt like a "pawn in a diplomatic tussle" after Chinese police barred him, along with another Australian journalist, from leaving the country.

www.abc.net.au

Targeted plan by China.

Targeted at Australia . Payback.

Don’t be afraid and allow our country to be bullied by China and I hope our Govt acts firm & tough against them.

 

[BT Tiger]

All I'm saying is, get on the phone, not the megaphone.

The tread-softly approach has not worked with China in recent times, hence we're looking to push back.

Sometimes you just need to denounce another countries *smile*.

I read recently that India, Japan and Australia are looking to improve their supply chain ties. I take some comfort that other regional players are wary of China and their bullying tactics. You can't trust a one-party government anywhere, let along one as powerful as China.

 

[tigerman]

The tread-softly approach has not worked with China in recent times, hence we're looking to push back.

Sometimes you just need to denounce another countries *smile*.

I read recently that India, Japan and Australia are looking to improve their supply chain ties. I take some comfort that other regional players are wary of China and their bullying tactics. You can't trust a one-party government anywhere, let along one as powerful as China.

Yes, fair enough, as you say the tread-softly hasn't worked.

 

[taztiger4]

All I'm saying is, get on the phone, not the megaphone.

Edit

An example of what mean is...... Trump calling Covid the China virus, and Kung Flu.
We all know where it came from, just call it by it's name instead of than rubbing there noses in it.

I agree, but dont forget the China press were calling it the Wuhan Virus early days

 

[Althom]

The tread-softly approach has not worked with China in recent times, hence we're looking to push back.

Sometimes you just need to denounce another countries *smile*.

I read recently that India, Japan and Australia are looking to improve their supply chain ties. I take some comfort that other regional players are wary of China and their bullying tactics. You can't trust a one-party government anywhere, let along one as powerful as China.

They equate "Quiet Diplomacy" with weakness.
They think their "Wolf Warrior" approach indicates strength.

 

[Legends of 2017]

All I'm saying is, get on the phone, not the megaphone.

A bit hard to do when they don’t return calls or even pick up the phone

 

[TT33]

The "softly softly" approach didn't work with Hitler

 

[Althom]

For a nation that is allegedly "gum on their shoes" the CCP seem awfully concerned about what we do.

 

[Giardiasis]

The "softly softly" approach didn't work with Hitler

The hard approach worked if you consider 85 million dead, millions more injured, global scale destruction and human misery and a trillion dollars spent as “worked”.

 

[Althom]

Today they're back to threatening India.
CCP Leaders seem increasingly insecure.

 

[Baloo]

They equate "Quiet Diplomacy" with weakness.
They think their "Wolf Warrior" approach indicates strength.

Yeah nah. The Chinese way is all about giving face in public with the real diplomacy/negotiating happening behind the scenes. Using the Megaphone is just not going to work because it's not in their psyche to respond to it the way you want them too.

You want to win a negotiation, find out what makes the other side tick, what they think, how they react, then play to those.

 

[Ridley]

The hard approach worked if you consider 85 million dead, millions more injured, global scale destruction and human misery and a trillion dollars spent as “worked”.

What was the alternative? Just bend over and let Hitler have his way and have the whole of Europe living under a repressive Nazi regime and a despot leader?

Plenty love to bag the British but they and the Russians were the only ones who stood up to Hitler; the rest of Europe folded like a deck of cards. The world would be a lot different today if it wasn't for British action in WWII.

 

[Althom]

Yeah nah. The Chinese way is all about giving face in public with the real diplomacy/negotiating happening behind the scenes. Using the Megaphone is just not going to work because it's not in their psyche to respond to it the way you want them too.

You want to win a negotiation, find out what makes the other side tick, what they think, how they react, then play to those.

What makes the CCP "tick"?
You have to bend over to find out.

 

[Baloo]

What makes the CCP "tick"?
You have to bend over to find out.

If that's your preferred way of negotiating, then good luck to you.

 

[Althom]

What was the alternative? Just bend over and let Hitler have his way and have the whole of Europe living under a repressive Nazi regime and a despot leader?

Plenty love to bag the British but they and the Russians were the only ones who stood up to Hitler; the rest of Europe folded like a deck of cards. The world would be a lot different today if it wasn't for British action in WWII.

The "alternative" was undoubtedly a lot worse.

 

[TT33]

What was the alternative? Just bend over and let Hitler have his way and have the whole of Europe living under a repressive Nazi regime and a despot leader?

Plenty love to bag the British but they and the Russians were the only ones who stood up to Hitler; the rest of Europe folded like a deck of cards. The world would be a lot different today if it wasn't for British action in WWII.

Really only when they were "forced" into it after Poland was invaded. Before that they let Hitler invade many countries hoping he would "be reasonable", quite a forlorn hope when you think about it.