Boat Discussion

[tigersnake]

This thread reads like an ABC staff dinner party. I read this, i heard that, he told me this...
Is that really true? Darn Liberal Party has wrecked everything..!

It is the narrow minded unworldly ignorance that pervades this thread that gives the Labor party it's 30% primary vote.

Only rusted ons can defend the Labor Party on this issue and tear down the Libs. Manus policy was set up by Labor, is being run and enforced by people put in place by Labor, and is full of people who arrived under Labor's watch.

You lot are a collective embarrassment - widen your reading!

interesting post. Tangled up in there are some trueisms. Both parties have rusted on 30% that is true. Both parties no have to chase the vote of those who are scared of or hate anyone different, or anyone who they think might take their resources somehow.

Hence, yes, the ALP are not setting the world on fire with their compassionate, empathetic and enlightened stance.

Even though you're saying it sarcastically, yes the libs, or Howard in particular, did a lot to wreck everything in my view, by dragging the agenda to the right and succeed at making Labor jump at reactionary shadows. K put it well, Howard loved kicking the powerless for political gain, and Abbott has his playbook in his back pocket. You could add to that the ALP now feel they have to take a few swipes as well to try and get votes (which is dumb, because the Libs will always go in harder on the powerless).

As for the reading, are you talking about reading wider on the media on this issue? Or wider in terms of the history of war, corruption and oppressive regimes in other countries where the refugees come from? The misinformation that is peddled by the tabloid media? The trauma experienced by most refugees? That is worth reading wider on I agree.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

This thread reads like an ABC staff dinner party. I read this, i heard that, he told me this...
Is that really true? Darn Liberal Party has wrecked everything..!

It is the narrow minded unworldly ignorance that pervades this thread that gives the Labor party it's 30% primary vote.

Only rusted ons can defend the Labor Party on this issue and tear down the Libs. Manus policy was set up by Labor, is being run and enforced by people put in place by Labor, and is full of people who arrived under Labor's watch.

You lot are a collective embarrassment - widen your reading!

None of the comments above mention a poltical party Merv.

 

[bullus_hit]

This thread reads like an ABC staff dinner party. I read this, i heard that, he told me this...
Is that really true? Darn Liberal Party has wrecked everything..!

It is the narrow minded unworldly ignorance that pervades this thread that gives the Labor party it's 30% primary vote.

Only rusted ons can defend the Labor Party on this issue and tear down the Libs. Manus policy was set up by Labor, is being run and enforced by people put in place by Labor, and is full of people who arrived under Labor's watch.

You lot are a collective embarrassment - widen your reading!

I couldn't care less who set up Manus, both parties are in a race to the bottom with regards to abusing refugees. And further to what Tigersnake has already mentioned, what exactly would you like us to read? You seem to have all the answers so cough up your pearls of wisdom.

 

[Sintiger]

This thread reads like an ABC staff dinner party. I read this, i heard that, he told me this...
Is that really true? Darn Liberal Party has wrecked everything..!

It is the narrow minded unworldly ignorance that pervades this thread that gives the Labor party it's 30% primary vote.

Only rusted ons can defend the Labor Party on this issue and tear down the Libs. Manus policy was set up by Labor, is being run and enforced by people put in place by Labor, and is full of people who arrived under Labor's watch.

You lot are a collective embarrassment - widen your reading!

Embarassment ?
The only reason the current Government is getting criticised here is because they are the Government. You make a rookie mistake by seeing this discussion as one about Party politics.
Criticising the Liberal Government does not equate to supporting the ALP, especially on this issue which has been a race to the bottom for a number of years now.
I am extremely well read and informed on this issue , 99% of my knowledge comes from outside the media and outside political parties. Where does your extensive reading on the subject come from ?

 

[Rosy]

This thread reads like an ABC staff dinner party. I read this, i heard that, he told me this...
Is that really true? Darn Liberal Party has wrecked everything..!

It is the narrow minded unworldly ignorance that pervades this thread that gives the Labor party it's 30% primary vote.

Only rusted ons can defend the Labor Party on this issue and tear down the Libs. Manus policy was set up by Labor, is being run and enforced by people put in place by Labor, and is full of people who arrived under Labor's watch.

You lot are a collective embarrassment - widen your reading!

The discussion seems more about the actual situation than party bias to me.

Rather than personal judgement and sniping how about you tell us how you think the Libs are managing this considering they are in charge at the moment? Any opinions to share on the situation as it occurs at this stage?

If you judge others as rusted on Labor how about you tell us how you voted yourself. Are you rusted on to any party.

Signed rosy23. Proud voter for and supporter of Cathy McGowan-Independent candidate representing Indi.

 

[pirate]

100 days and no boats carrying economic refugees keep up the great work scott morrison

 

[Rosy]

100 days and no boats carrying economic refugees keep up the great work scott morrison

I wonder how many boats have been turned back, people fobbed off on other countries and others killed. There's a bit much to be concerned about in regard to this situation for us to be bragging about them not landing here.

 

[pirate]

no boats = no concerns i dont care how many have been turned back or fobbed off as you say

 

[KnightersRevenge]

100 days and no boats carrying economic refugees keep up the great work scott morrison

If there were no boats what are the orange life boats for? If the boats are still launching then the policy has had no effect on the people smugglers model surely?

 

[pirate]

If there were no boats what are the orange life boats for? If the boats are still launching then the policy has had no effect on the people smugglers model surely?

no effect? surely you jest no boats ihave landed in 100 days ob well done mr morrison

 

[KnightersRevenge]

no effect? surely you jest no boats ihave landed in 100 days ob well done mr morrison

I jest not Sir Pirate. If the people smugglers model had been defeated there would be no need of lifeboats surely?

 

[AngryAnt]

Just as long as these people do their dying far away from our fair shores, then the policy is a success. After all, we don't want vision of boats arriving at Christmas Island anymore, it tends to spoil our appreciation of life and all the good things.

 

[lukeanddad]

This thread reads like an ABC staff dinner party. I read this, i heard that, he told me this...
Is that really true? Darn Liberal Party has wrecked everything..!

It is the narrow minded unworldly ignorance that pervades this thread that gives the Labor party it's 30% primary vote.

Only rusted ons can defend the Labor Party on this issue and tear down the Libs. Manus policy was set up by Labor, is being run and enforced by people put in place by Labor, and is full of people who arrived under Labor's watch.

You lot are a collective embarrassment - widen your reading!

Are you crazy! Keep your head down and walk quickly out of here. You may survive.

 

[Rosy]

Are you crazy! Keep your head down and walk quickly out of here. You may survive.

It's obviously easier to take drive-through potshots than stay and defend Abbott.

 

[bullus_hit]

no effect? surely you jest no boats ihave landed in 100 days ob well done mr morrison

At what cost? You seem to be content in the knowledge that murder has been committed on Manus, along with 60 people being hospitalised through acts of sheer brutality. Killing & maiming people may well be a 'deterrent' but it strips the country of any moral integrity when dealing with the world's problems. On top of that, we supply the Sri Lankan regime with military boats so they can continue their policy of genocide.

Well done indeed Mr Morrison, give yourself a big pat on the back. You've done this country proud.

 

[pirate]

At what cost? You seem to be content in the knowledge that murder has been committed on Manus, along with 60 people being hospitalised through acts of sheer brutality. Killing & maiming people may well be a 'deterrent' but it strips the country of any moral integrity when dealing with the world's problems. On top of that, we supply the Sri Lankan regime with military boats so they can continue their policy of genocide.

Well done indeed Mr Morrison, give yourself a big pat on the back. You've done this country proud.

during my PEER REVIEWED studies no one gives a toss, they are economic refugees pure and simple......maybe they should of spent thier coin on an airplane ticket ,however how would that balance the reffo industry's bottom line? thousands dead at sea and no outrage but one tragic death in kevvys camp under tone and morro's watch has the left flushed with indignation ? yes morro has done this country proud and well done sir scott

 

[bullus_hit]

during my PEER REVIEWED studies no one gives a toss, they are economic refugees pure and simple......maybe they should of spent thier coin on an airplane ticket ,however how would that balance the reffo industry's bottom line? thousands dead at sea and no outrage but one tragic death in julia's camp under tone and morro's watch has the left flushed with indignation ? yes morro has done this country proud and well done sir scott

Please enlighten us on your 'peer reviewed studies', I think most would be keen to hear about your extensive studies on the global refugee problem. As for 'economic refugees', I think you'll find that the overwhelming number of asylum seekers are legitimate, even under Howard this was the case. Of course Abbott and co. are looking to demonise these people so they would say that.

By the way, 'Julias camp' as you so eloquently put it was established by the Howard government in 2002. But this is a moot point, detaining and abusing people seeking asylum is not only ethically wrong but is illegal under international law. It shouldn't matter who established the camps, state sanctioned abuse of asylum seekers and their children is callous in the extreme.

As for your assertion that people don't care about deaths at sea, that is drawing a long bow my friend. People dying in detention cannot be justified by comparing death counts. There are other ways to deal with the problem yet both political parties refuse to canvas the alternatives. Abbott basically tore down any attempts at global co-operation by insulting the Indonesians, and he then followed that up by aiding and abetting Sri Lankan genocide.

Given that you have an inherent hatred towards refugees I'm wondering if you have even met any through the course of your life? Or is it that you rely on the tabloids to form your opinions?

 

[pirate]

no tabloids i dont read the age,and no inherent hatred of refugees just the rich economic ones that wont wait in line, all for taking real refugees out of REAL refugee camps .was wrong on julias camp that great christian rudd and bowen reopened it didnt they?

 

[bullus_hit]

no tabloids i dont read the age,and no inherent hatred of refugees just the rich economic ones that wont wait in line, all for taking real refugees out of REAL refugee camps .was wrong on julias camp that great christian rudd and bowen reopened it didnt they?

Oh dear, you really have a limited grasp of this issue don't you? Perhaps you could provide us with details of these camps so all the queue jumpers can line up in an orderly fashion.

 

[pirate]

Oh dear, you really limited grasp of this issue don't you? Perhaps you could provide us with details of these camps so all the queue jumpers can line up in an orderly fashion.

lol my "limited grasp" next comes "racist" or "troll" tell me bully how they grt to indonesia? and then help me widen my grasp and explain what happens to their passports?