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pirate said:
bully we are talking boats and economic refuges here ,explain the 80% i could but it would probably be the shock jock indoctrine

Sounds like endocrine, fits with a bodily excretion. Perhaps indoctrinine, the vile pus that spews out of a wireless tuned to 2UE? Still haven't answered my question by the way Sir Pirate of Posterior Prose, if the boats have stopped what are the lifeboats for? Why does Sri Lanka need new boats if the boats have stopped?
 
pirate said:
fact i do not see it as a liberal or labor issue, i see it as fact that they offer nothing to our country unlike the ites,greeks and the vietnamese who had the oppurtunity and the WORK ETHIC to improve their lot and ours.. explain to me how after 5 years of being accepted 80% are still on the taxpayer tit?
I suggest you do yourself a favour and get a copy of the sbs program called Go back to where they came from. Watch it and maybe go and talk to some people who work in organisations like AIMS who help to resettle refugees. Then once you have been educated a little on the subject of refugees come back and have a discussion about this like a grown up.

But I am expecting some vitriol laced rant suggesting you know enough already.
 
bullus_hit said:
You explain the 80%, I wouldn't have a clue about what you're talking about. If it's 80% of asylum claims are found to be genuine then you're close to the mark. To the top of the class you go.
80 +% of refugees accepted by christin kev and wath my nose grow julia are still on welfare, how about you apply to house a few in your digs comrade
 
pirate said:
80 +% of refugees accepted by christin kev and wath my nose grow julia are still on welfare, how about you apply to house a few in your digs comrade

Where did you get these stats? Source please.
 
pirate said:
80 +% of refugees accepted by christin kev and wath my nose grow julia are still on welfare, how about you apply to house a few in your digs comrade

But still you have to appreciate the old "if you love refos so much, they can stay at your place!" line, always gives me a big laugh.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jan/28/australia-confirms-15-boats-carrying-429-asylum-seekers-have-been-turned-back

"A total of 15 boats containing 429 asylum seekers have been turned back since the Australian government enacted its Operation Sovereign Borders (OSB) policy, the immigration minister, Peter Dutton, has said"

The above quote is from an article in The Guardian in January so there could be more. Is there any chance we could just be honest about whether anyone has really "stopped the boats". Much media reportage quotes this as fact. But surely if boats are being turned back, then they haven't actually stopped have they?
 
Well, they can say they've stopped some from arriving, but they haven't stopped any from coming.

Except now the world knows we have an OSB policy on immigration thanks to an SOB policy in leaders.
 
People may be drowning somewhere that isn't our problem, which was largely the point of the policy.
 
mld said:
People may be drowning somewhere that isn't our problem, which was largely the point of the policy.


Yes it is a shame isn't it. Hey they aren't coming here. We've stopped them but if they get abusedtorture or drown elsewhere....... :fing32. Team Australia. What a fantastic country.
 
Tommy H said:
Yes it is a shame isn't it. Hey they aren't coming here. We've stopped them but if they get abusedtorture or drown elsewhere....... :fing32. Team Australia. What a fantastic country.

and at the same time, whilst the number of stateless people and refugees in the world grows beyond 50 million people, we make serious cuts to our foreign aid budget
 
Sintiger said:
and at the same time, whilst the number of stateless people and refugees in the world grows beyond 50 million people, we make serious cuts to our foreign aid budget

Well, the taxpayer can't be expected to endlessly pay for the lifestyle choices of others. :-[
 
Sintiger said:
and at the same time, whilst the number of stateless people and refugees in the world grows beyond 50 million people, we make serious cuts to our foreign aid budget
Yep, and what many people don't realise is that by tackling poverty and war, reducing child mortaility rates and give people better access to education we actually reduce the birth rates in troubled parts of the world, thereby solving the global overpopulation problem.
 
Indonesia has refused to sign the UN Convention on Refuges.
If they did then they'd be stuck with the refugees who use Indonesia as a stopover en route to Australia.
As it is, they can refuse to accept any transfer back to them.
So why isn't the Human Rights Commission screaming about Indonesia not signing up?
 
poppa x said:
Indonesia has refused to sign the UN Convention on Refuges.
If they did then they'd be stuck with the refugees who use Indonesia as a stopover en route to Australia.
As it is, they can refuse to accept any transfer back to them.
So why isn't the Human Rights Commission screaming about Indonesia not signing up?

The Australian HRC doesn't have jurisdiction over Indonesia.
 
poppa x said:
The UN has one of those too ;)

Oh, you mean the UNHRC. And here are some of the reports the UNHRC has made regarding Indonesia. http://ap.ohchr.org/documents/dpage_e.aspx?c=85&su=91

There are 22 pages of reports into human rights in Indonesia, and 8 pages of reports for Australia. ;)
 
I don't think Indonesia have ever been a party to the UN Convention on Refugees. Australia are, and were an original signatory I think, so in that regard the actions of the current and previous governments towards refugees are even more reprehensible
 
I just don't get it. Why can't these people be treated in a manner befitting another human being? Or at a more base level, the ol' "do unto others..." thing comes to mind.

Just why are asylum seekers being vilified to such a massive extent? Is trying to get to Australia such horrendous thing to do?

What the hell is going on?


Government seeks immunity over use of force in immigration detention
Immigration officers – including contractors – would have greater powers to use force against asylum seekers and be exempted from liability under proposed laws
CHRISTMAS ISLAND - JULY 26: Christmas Island Immigration Detention Centre central open space provides a recreation area for asylum seekers, on July 26, 2013 on Christmas Island. The Australian government has announced that all asylum seeker arrivals will be processed and resettled in Papua New Guinea.

Paul Farrell @FarrellPF
Wednesday 8 April 2015 12.07 AEST Last modified on Wednesday 8 April 2015 12.09 AEST


The federal government is seeking extraordinary new powers that would make it largely immune from liability for inappropriate uses of force on people in immigration detention centres.

The new powers would allow immigration officers – which may include private contractors – to use “reasonable force against any person” if the officer believes it is necessary to protect the life, health or safety of people in detention or to maintain the good order, peace or security of a detention centre.

Such powers potentially give staff with a low level of training a greater level of immunity than that granted to state and federal police forces.

Officers would be able to use the powers in the migration amendment (maintaining the good order of immigration detention facilities) bill as long as they did not subject “a person to greater indignity than the authorised office reasonably believes necessary”.

The bill states that grievous bodily harm – which courts have held to mean injuries that lead to serious or permanent disfigurement – could be inflicted on detainees if the officer “reasonably believes that doing the thing is necessary to protest the life of, or to prevent serious injury to, another person (including the authorised officer)”.

The bill also seeks to restrict asylum seekers from bringing personal injury claims against the Commonwealth or private contractors relating to the use of force. They could only do so if it could be demonstrated that the detention officer did not exercise force “in good faith”.

The provision would give the federal government - and private contractors managing the centres - a level of immunity for personal injury claims that is not even available in relation to the actions of police officers.

While officers in the federal, NSW and Queensland police are personally exempt from liability in most injury claims, the state and federal governments can still be named in legal actions according to a Parliamentary Library analysis of the bill.

Claire O’Connor SC, a South Australian barrister who has represented asylum seekers in legal actions, said the bill raised serious concerns.

“In the correctional environment there are regulations which dictate the conditions of a prisoner’s regime including access to exercise, the use of solitary confinement,” she said. “Within detention centres, in spite of the courts repeatedly pointing this out as a problem, there are no regulations. People have been forcibly taken by handcuff, thrown into solitary sections of detention centres and kept there without any reason given, sometimes for weeks on end. That happens under the current system.

“From time to time the courts will criticise the use of this force and the use of solitary confinement as a breach of a duty to provide adequate care. I suspect the amendment is to sanction these cruel practices so that detainees who have been unlawfully injured cannot complain or sue for harm done”.

The parliamentary joint committee on human rights said the bill “appears to lack a number of safeguards that apply to analogous state and territory legislation governing the use of force in prisons”.

It includes no express requirement for force to be used as a last resort, or that inflicting injury should be avoided where possible.

“The bill would allow force to be used to prevent any action that disturbs the good order, peace or security of the facility, which provide an ill-defined and extremely broad authorisation for the use of force by IDSP officer,” the committee report said. “In contrast, analogous state and territory legislation governing the use of force in prisons generally limits the use of force to preventing or quelling a riot or disturbance”.

Currently private contractors are generally able to rely on powers under common law to use reasonable force. Police officers have statutory rules governing in what circumstances they can use force.

Although the bill does not specify what the training requirements are likely to be, the explanatory memorandum of the bill say that “at this time, the qualification and training requirements that are likely to be determined by the minister in writing ... include the certificate level II in security operations.”

A certificate level II in security operations is a base level training course for security personnel.

Daniel Webb, the director of legal advocacy at the Human Rights Law Centre, said: “We’re the only country in the world that subjects asylum seekers to mandatory and indefinite detention as a first resort. Instead of creating excessive and unchecked powers to suppress unrest we should address its root causes – the length of time we leave innocent people detained in limbo.

“Immigration detention centres are incredibly closed environments. Increasing powers to use force while decreasing checks and balances on the exercise of those powers is a recipe for trouble.”

The bill is the subject of a Senate inquiry that is due to report in May.