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Ben Rutten

Get him back,

We bat at 100% on dissaffected senior coaches returning into our warm embrace as assistants
 
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I wonder if we could release Kingsley early and get Truck in.
Also if he stays he shouldn't be left alone with players to chat, come over to Gws and I will give you senior games.

Thanks Adam but time to exit stage left.
And make room, we're backing the Truck up!
 
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nikolasmia said:
To cut a long story short, Rutten may be happy to take unders, which helps alot in our tight coaches soft cap.
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The way the contract works is the club has to pay the agreed salary or make up the difference if the employee takes another job.

So if Rutten was due to earn $600,000 as a base and stay unemployed they pay the full whack. If he takes a job working full time at Woolworths on a checkout and earns $65,000 they owe him $535,000.

The obvious thing to do would be to sign him as a coach for $1 and let Essendon fund your coach but this has been raised before and the AFL has made it clear they will not allow a contract that is not in keeping with industry practice. So they will look at what other assistant coaches with similar skills and experience are getting and Rutten's deal would need to be in the same ballpark.

Effectively we might get him for a bit skinnier rate than normal but it won't be a huge amount. The only real winner financially is Rutten who will paid 600k to do a 350k job.
 
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The Big Richo said:
The way the contract works is the club has to pay the agreed salary or make up the difference if the employee takes another job.

So if Rutten was due to earn $600,000 as a base and stay unemployed they pay the full whack. If he takes a job working full time at Woolworths on a checkout and earns $65,000 they owe him $535,000.

The obvious thing to do would be to sign him as a coach for $1 and let Essendon fund your coach but this has been raised before and the AFL has made it clear they will not allow a contract that is not in keeping with industry practice. So they will look at what other assistant coaches with similar skills and experience are getting and Rutten's deal would need to be in the same ballpark.

Effectively we might get him for a bit skinnier rate than normal but it won't be a huge amount. The only real winner financially is Rutten who will paid 600k to do a 350k job.
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So he can take a year off and get paid 600k or work and get paid 600k? This doesn’t make sense either. What’s the incentive to work?

Separately you reckon woolworths checkout pays 65k? More like 40k would be my guess.

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The Big Richo said:
The way the contract works is the club has to pay the agreed salary or make up the difference if the employee takes another job.

So if Rutten was due to earn $600,000 as a base and stay unemployed they pay the full whack. If he takes a job working full time at Woolworths on a checkout and earns $65,000 they owe him $535,000.

The obvious thing to do would be to sign him as a coach for $1 and let Essendon fund your coach but this has been raised before and the AFL has made it clear they will not allow a contract that is not in keeping with industry practice. So they will look at what other assistant coaches with similar skills and experience are getting and Rutten's deal would need to be in the same ballpark.

Effectively we might get him for a bit skinnier rate than normal but it won't be a huge amount. The only real winner financially is Rutten who will paid 600k to do a 350k job.
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no doubt the above is true

The point being that if you save 50-100k on him, it can go to someone else, its all very important as we are as tight as with the soft cap
 
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RoarEmotion said:
So he can take a year off and get paid 600k or work and get paid 600k? This doesn’t make sense either. What’s the incentive to work?
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Good question. There is a risk that if you are out of the game for 12 months you may not be able to get back in so easily. Or, you have to move interstate or take a less than desirable job.

Then again, Rutten may want nothing to do with coaching in the AFL anymore after what happened to him at Essendon.
 
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The Big Richo said:
The way the contract works is the club has to pay the agreed salary or make up the difference if the employee takes another job.

So if Rutten was due to earn $600,000 as a base and stay unemployed they pay the full whack. If he takes a job working full time at Woolworths on a checkout and earns $65,000 they owe him $535,000.

The obvious thing to do would be to sign him as a coach for $1 and let Essendon fund your coach but this has been raised before and the AFL has made it clear they will not allow a contract that is not in keeping with industry practice. So they will look at what other assistant coaches with similar skills and experience are getting and Rutten's deal would need to be in the same ballpark.

Effectively we might get him for a bit skinnier rate than normal but it won't be a huge amount. The only real winner financially is Rutten who will paid 600k to do a 350k job.
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Can you say “Bens a development coach with the VFL side”? What’s that worth, $50k? Or would the AFL monitor his VFL/AFL involvement? (I know the club wouldn’t do this, just asking.)
 
The Big Richo said:
The way the contract works is the club has to pay the agreed salary or make up the difference if the employee takes another job.

So if Rutten was due to earn $600,000 as a base and stay unemployed they pay the full whack. If he takes a job working full time at Woolworths on a checkout and earns $65,000 they owe him $535,000.

The obvious thing to do would be to sign him as a coach for $1 and let Essendon fund your coach but this has been raised before and the AFL has made it clear they will not allow a contract that is not in keeping with industry practice. So they will look at what other assistant coaches with similar skills and experience are getting and Rutten's deal would need to be in the same ballpark.

Effectively we might get him for a bit skinnier rate than normal but it won't be a huge amount. The only real winner financially is Rutten who will paid 600k to do a 350k job.
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:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:As if Woolworths have checkouts maned these days
 
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The Big Richo said:
The way the contract works is the club has to pay the agreed salary or make up the difference if the employee takes another job.

So if Rutten was due to earn $600,000 as a base and stay unemployed they pay the full whack. If he takes a job working full time at Woolworths on a checkout and earns $65,000 they owe him $535,000.

The obvious thing to do would be to sign him as a coach for $1 and let Essendon fund your coach but this has been raised before and the AFL has made it clear they will not allow a contract that is not in keeping with industry practice. So they will look at what other assistant coaches with similar skills and experience are getting and Rutten's deal would need to be in the same ballpark.

Effectively we might get him for a bit skinnier rate than normal but it won't be a huge amount. The only real winner financially is Rutten who will paid 600k to do a 350k job.
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What about creating a new “ unique” position? Would the AFL have any say on what that would pay?
 
I'd like to see Truck take a year off, travel the world with his family and start an Instagram account called 'Postcards to Esserdum', in which he posts photos of himself at iconic landmarks and beautiful settings, with added text to note the score from Essington's latest loss, and how much they're paying him for his walk up Machu Picchu or dinner at the Ritz.
 
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spook said:
I'd like to see Truck take a year off, travel the world with his family and start an Instagram account called 'Postcards to Esserdum', in which he posts photos of himself at iconic landmarks and beautiful settings, with added text to note the score from Essington's latest loss, and how much they're paying him for his walk up Machu Picchu or dinner at the Ritz.
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:mhihi Good thought spook.
 
spook said:
I'd like to see Truck take a year off, travel the world with his family and start an Instagram account called 'Postcards to Esserdum', in which he posts photos of himself at iconic landmarks and beautiful settings, with added text to note the score from Essington's latest loss, and how much they're paying him for his walk up Machu Picchu or dinner at the Ritz.
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Instead of taking training i got paid $5k to go on a gondala in venice, instead coaching the bombers to another loss I got paid $5k to see the Eiffel tower. (he could include a count since the Bombers last finals win in small writing at the bottom of each post.)

I like it.
 
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