Ball movement i50..

[Tigers of Old]

This needs to be talked about because more often than not this year it has been a real problem. Fly is our forward's coach. now I rate Fly but it's a bit of an ongoing issue.

I think it's because we don' have enough talent that can hit a target. I watch many other top teams & they seem (at least) to have far better disposers of the football.

That said we are winning games & (flags) regardless more often than not so something's working.
However that was based primarily on our small forwards applying pressure which also seems to have become far less effective this season.

Discuss..

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

We generally excel at scoring goals from close range. When the opposition keeps its defensive structure, deep, we struggle in that area.

Hardwick made mention that we need to bring the ball to ground more and that it will be a focus during the week. Perhaps a reference to the number of intercept marks?

Lynch was up at half back at times but if the opposition refuses to be drawn out, I don't know how to fix it. Rekindle the Short dambuster? Get Balta up the ground? Encourage Dusty to blast from 50? Kick grubbers like the Bulldogs did once?

It's at least tiring for the opposition to continue working back the other way.

 

[jb03]

We generally excel at scoring goals from close range. When the opposition keeps its defensive structure, deep, we struggle in that area.

Hardwick made mention that we need to bring the ball to ground more and that it will be a focus during the week. Perhaps a reference to the number of intercept marks?

Lynch was up at half back at times but if the opposition refuses to be drawn out, I don't know how to fix it. Rekindle the Short dambuster? Get Balta up the ground? Encourage Dusty to blast from 50? Kick grubbers like the Bulldogs did once?

It's at least tiring for the opposition to continue working back the other way.

Need to let a few players have a ping from 55. Other clubs have them be we have very few who seem to be able to make that distance. Hardwick does seem to have a problem against teams that deploy a deep backline flood.

 

[bairdy380]

Marking 101.... if you can’t clunk it, kill it and bring to ground to at least break even

 

[Ice]

I think it's because we don' have enough talent that can hit a target. I watch many other top teams & they seem (at least) to have far better disposers of the football.

Agreed. I love Cotchin's defensive and clearance work, but his disposal by foot this year is very average. Not the lone ranger though.

 

[waiting]

Separation, separation, separation.

Don’t be all crowded going for the same ball.

Lower the eyes.

Don’t just blaze away.

Keep leading, leading , leading.

Kick the ball to dangerous spots. Too many times we all reverting to old habits by kicking to the boundary line.

Bring to ground and have a small swoop on it but our smalls are really struggling. Rioli & Castagna.

Of late we get it right and we score within a 15-20 metre range. This year it seems one out of 2-3.

If sides want to flood that means we have spare(s). Look for that player(s).

 

[Quickdraw]

We need more than one string to our bow.

Bombing it in for JR or Lynch to either mark it or bring it to ground is ok when the smalls are "on".
We've got blokes like Short, Balta, Dusty and Vlas who can kick a goal from outside F50 but we don't set up for it.
We sometimes also need to lower the eyes and look for a shorter target inside F50, but you've got to have the skills to make that kick.

Ball movement looks different to me. Missing Shedda & Houli is a part of it. Our ball movement doesn't seem as quick. And slower movement gives the defense more time to flood.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Marking 101.... if you can’t clunk it, kill it and bring to ground to at least break even

Yeah I am disappointed in Chol at times, as Vickery sometimes disappointed in this area. He's not fully developed and not a smash n' crash type but sometimes gives the impression he could make more of an effort for the team even if he's no chance to mark. For all Jack's struggles this year he has at least thrown himself at the ball the whole time.

 

[Giardiasis]

We work best when we can turn the ball over with the opposition numbers pushed up so we can get their defence out of position with our players streaming forward with handballs. Need Castagna, Lambert and Rioli to provide that huge run to push back to help turn the ball over and then provide the run into F50. The chip chip game works well against us because we are not the best aerialists between the two 50 metre arcs. If the opposition are good enough kicks of the footy it helps their defence set up better moving the ball this way. If they have good tall forwards they can then at least get the ball to ground and lock it in so we can only get turnovers in live play and not via a mark. We've been struggling a bit to then solve that problem. Need Edwards and Houli back to help those situations. They will really help drive our attack from defence.

If the opposition have flooded back, we are better off setting ourselves up to lose the ball and aim to win it back outside our F50 so we can try and get some space for our forwards when their players stream forward. We just need to make sure they win it back also via a live play turnover rather than a mark so the mosquitos can apply pressure on the kicker and force them to bomb it. If we are really struggling I reckon we could try and get Shorty to take marks following a turnover from outside 50 and have set shot pings, but it's not ideal because if he misses they then can start the chip chip game again.

 

[seven]

our forward is constantly over crowded with flooding from the opposition.
Forwards have to starting leading out

 

[TOT70]

It is clear that back lines stay deep against us. They don’t care how much we outnumber them by in the middle third of the ground, they are going to outnumber us deep in defence, no matter what.

It makes our games very boring.

Of course, if umpires paid a few free kicks for shepherding in the marking contest in our forward 50 we would win by heaps every week. Not many of our marking players at either end get a chance to fly for marks.

 

[Tigers2011]

Separation, separation, separation.

Don’t be all crowded going for the same ball.

Lower the eyes.

Don’t just blaze away.

Keep leading, leading , leading.

Kick the ball to dangerous spots. Too many times we all reverting to all habits by kicking to the boundary line.

Bring to ground and have a small swoop on it but our smalls are really struggling. Rioli & Castagna.

Of late we get it right and we score within a 15-20 metre range. This year it seems one out of 2-3.

If sides want to flood that means we have spare(s). Look for that player(s).

Agree with all of that, especially to look for spare near top of the arc to then run in and shoot from 40-50 metres. Can't just keep bombing to the top of the goal square.

McIntosh twice marked the ball 35-45 out but failed to finish. Right play & position to find him, wrong bloke to have to finish given his kicking skills (albeit he did land the goal after the 50 metre penalty in the last). However that's the type of play we need to look for when the forward 50 is flooded - eyes of the ball carrier lowered rather than jut kicking to the top of the square.

We weren't helped last night by Lynch and Chol not getting their hands to the ball in marking contests. Thought they were both poor for the first three quarters. As Gold Coast tired, Lynch got better in the last quarter and hence we were able to score. Lot of strategy revision needed by the coaching staff as to how we counter the flood back. Has been our Achilles heal throughout this past three years, most notably in the 2018 Prelim. Winning centre clearance & contested ball in general will undoubtedly help as opposition won't have time to get back.

 

[waiting]

Agree with all of that, especially to look for spare near top of the arc to then run in and shoot from 40-50 metres. Can't just keep bombing to the top of the goal square.

McIntosh twice marked the ball 35-45 out but failed to finish. Right play & position to find him, wrong bloke to have to finish given his kicking skills (albeit he did land the goal after the 50 metre penalty in the last). However that's the type of play we need to look for when the forward 50 is flooded - eyes of the ball carrier lowered rather than jut kicking to the top of the square.

We weren't helped last night by Lynch and Chol not getting their hands to the ball in marking contests. Thought they were both poor for the first three quarters. As Gold Coast tired, Lynch got better in the last quarter and hence we were able to score. Lot of strategy revision needed by the coaching staff as to how we counter the flood back. Has been our Achilles heal throughout this past three years, most notably in the 2018 Prelim. Winning centre clearance & contested ball in general will undoubtedly help as opposition won't have time to get back.

Exactly 2011.
Well written!

 

[Tigers2011]

Exactly 2011.
Well written!

Ta - just an old time observer. In the absence of Prestia and Cotchin at times, makes me wonder why we haven't tried either Collier-Dawkins or Dow through middle to see if that changes clearance. Bolton has been a star since going in there and an extra solution may be found in players we already have, albeit young and inexperienced.

 

[caesar]

This needs to be talked about because more often than not this year it has been a real problem. Fly is our forward's coach. now I rate Fly but it's a bit of an ongoing issue.

I think it's because we don' have enough talent that can hit a target. I watch many other top teams & they seem (at least) to have far better disposers of the football.

That said we are winning games & (flags) regardless more often than not so something's working.
However that was based primarily on our small forwards applying pressure which also seems to have become far less effective this season.

Discuss..

Keep in mind too that McQualter is responsible for midfield/offensive ball movement inside 50, so that partnership as whole needs to get better.

 

[TigerPort]

The shorter kick to 50/60/70m out then the longer kick over the defensive grid. Like the (Markov?) short kick to Riewoldt at 55m and then to CHOL out the back of the defense. Couple that with the kicks to 40/50m and have the defense in two minds.

Speed of ball movement to forward 50 helps

 

[waiting]

Ta - just an old time observer. In the absence of Prestia and Cotchin at times, makes me wonder why we haven't tried either Collier-Dawkins or Dow through middle to see if that changes clearance. Bolton has been a star since going in there and an extra solution may be found in players we already have, albeit young and inexperienced.

I think time has run out for CD & Dow . Just my view.

But they were emergencies ...

 

[waiting]

The shorter kick to 50/60/70m out then the longer kick over the defensive grid. Like the (Markov?) short kick to Riewoldt at 55m and then to CHOL out the back of the defense. Couple that with the kicks to 40/50m and have the defense in two minds.

Speed of ball movement to forward 50 helps

Yes. Quick ball movement. I forgot. Get yelling at the tv to just move the ball on quicker. Not all the time. But if you have a one out ( not Aarts ) or a mismatch move it on quicker.

 

[tigerman]

Some teams are getting more players back than previous seasons. When they do that, we are going with a more controlled entry, than the chaos ball which still works against teams that aren't stacking the backline.

 

[Tigers2011]

I think time has run out for CD & Dow . Just my view.

But they were emergencies ...

It probably has now - not enough time and no proper VFL games to fully assess where they're at. Don't place much value in the practice matches that they may be using. Getting Prestia back will help but his injury is a tough one to recovery from quickly. Clearance will be where we'll struggle against West Coast & Geelong in particular if we don't try some different things. The Port game showed exactly that. Wait and see.