SkillzThatKillz said:
Well Sandilands is out for a month with a foot injury, so i dare say he will probably get an opportunity to show his wares in the AFL
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Well Sandilands is out for a month with a foot injury, so i dare say he will probably get an opportunity to show his wares in the AFL
Kudos to the selection panel for the Bombers game.
I really thought we had to play both Browne and Gus to be any chance, but Browne provided a great contest out there.
I really thought we had to play both Browne and Gus to be any chance, but Browne provided a great contest out there.
A nice start for andy b. Had a crack for sure bUt was his game better than some of gus' earlier games. ....no not really. Somebody needs to tell him handballing off is good to a nice user of the ball but to telegraph it is a sin. Confidence in his game will see him start to kick it more. His rucking work was ok but there needs to be more communication btw the mids and the rucks. Our mids are just not where the taps are going.
Another thing, as much as I love what dimmas doing he's killing the rucks with the amount of time the 1st ruck is spending on the ball, not even our mids are spending that amount of time on the ball!! Having to push 6'7" 230lb bodies around to every contest is not easy no matter how athletic you are.
Another thing, as much as I love what dimmas doing he's killing the rucks with the amount of time the 1st ruck is spending on the ball, not even our mids are spending that amount of time on the ball!! Having to push 6'7" 230lb bodies around to every contest is not easy no matter how athletic you are.
I disagree. Wouldn't be the first time a few have jumped the gun. Read the Rance thread, quite a few had him as not up to AFL standard. I'd get off Graham's case before he too makes the self proclaimed 'experts' look silly.....again.Leysy Days said:
SkillzThatKillz said:
Tigerbob said:
I would like Clarke too, but he would cost a fortune. A number of AFL clubs are sniffing around there at the moment.
BIGNIGE said:
Most teams are doing this.
The teams with the premier ruckmen like Jolly and Sandilands have a huge advantage because they can ruck all day. They just support their man with a tall forward/utility who can ruck for 15 minutes each game and be useful iin other ways the rest of the time. Hardwick is trying to copy this but he doesn't have the premier ruckman, unfortunately. He reasons, quite correctly, that Vickery is better value up forward and that he would lose too much of an advantage if he has to drop a runnng player and play two ruckmen, along with Vickery.
WC is successfully playing a host of ruckmen in their side but it helps that Cox is every bit as good as Jolly and Sandilands, NikNat can play as a midfielder and Lynch is a capable forward. Cox is still doing the bulk of the ruck work. NikNat is still being carried for the experience, which he desperately needs.
Essendon have successfully played Bellchambers, Hille and Ryder in more equal doses but it looks to me that all three are better ruckmen than they are as anything else. Ryder is looking a bit lost at the moment and Hille needs to be in the middle, rather than across half-forward all the time. He is not that good as a forward, he takes a big grab, provides a contest and that is about it.
The Bulldogs have both Hudson and Minson running around and this is one of their main issues. How often does Minson kick 4 goals? Once, unfortunately, the big doofus! They look OK when it happens but they would be better served with another running player.
The trick for us will be developing Post (or someone else) as a part-time ruckman with another main job. This leaves Vickery to play up forward, with maybe a short burst in the middle late in the game. His little cameo int he last few minutes on Sat night was really good. A hit out, contributed to a clearance and then he kicked a running goal from midfield.
He was too quick for their tiring rucks. Would he have been if he had already rucked for 50 minutes?
Just as an aside, it is interesting what a difference Leigh Brown has made to the competition. A couple of years ago, any junior ruckman around 196-98 cm was a questionable pickup because they were considered too short to claim a position in an AFL team.
Along comes Leigh Brown and they are one of the most valuable commodities, precisely becasue they can be used in several roles.
TOT70 said:
This is the impact of the sub rule? Quite a few people forecast that the biggest impact would be on ruckmen.
Streak said:
I would love Clarke too.
Maric at Adelaide will come cheap, Jacobs will well-and-truly take his spot by the end of the year. Is he an much of an upgrade on what we already have? I'm not sure.
Personally, I would try to get Bellchambers and if it should happen that shaking that tree dislodges Hille, I wouldn't be too upset. Hille would provide the big body and first use of the ball that would take our midfield to another level.
Elmer said:
It was a very good half-volley pick up by the big man. Was part of the play that set up Newmans goal in the 3rd quarter I think.
Watch the replay again and see how many fumbles and mistakes he made otherwise. Of course this is to be expected, in many ways he exceeded expectations in his first game, but to call it that he has made Graham redundant on this performance is folly. Poor old Gus would have been lambasted for the same mistakes.
Streak said:
And I was one of them.
Brown really came to prominence last year in this role, long before the rule change. Would teams have been so willing to embrace one-ruckmen policies without have seen what Brown was doing?
It is also related to the impact that Sandilands has had on the competition. There are a few factors at work here.
Graham has played some ok games this year for us, he just had a shocker against the bulldogs.... Mitch Clarke is out of contract at th eend of year from Brisbane. He plays his best when he is the number one ruckman. It showed that he dropped off when the other ruck came back for Brisbane. I think Mitch Clarke would be a great pick up. His disinterested in Brisbane atm which may not be good- ie. attitude problem but I think if he is motivated with a team that is on the up he will be a very good player (unlike Lions who have the worst list in the AFL. Port Adelaide may be playing shockingly but at least they have some talent. Brisbane are stuck at the bottom for another 5 years at least)
Angus could have his work cut out to get back in, injury excepting
We have no ruckmen developing on the rookie list, we need to remedy that in December
We have no ruckmen developing on the rookie list, we need to remedy that in December
Herr_Tiger said:
I think we're OK for ruckmen such that I don't think we need to waste resources on recruiting a mature ruckmen. I'd just rookie another 1 or 2 next year and gradually move them into the team as we've done for Graham and Browne.
Gus continued on his stellar form at Coburg on the weekend -
Angus Graham
Not the sort of response the big ruckman needed in a bid to regain his place at AFL level with Richmond. Did provide a contest at stoppages and around the ground, but more is expected from him.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/114700/default.aspx
Browne has already surpassed him at VFL level. All this from someone more than 3 years his junior.
Lets keep going with someone who may have an AFL future in Browne until/if he tires, ifthat happens hopefully Derickx is then knocking the door down for a taste so we can gauge his future.
Angus Graham
Not the sort of response the big ruckman needed in a bid to regain his place at AFL level with Richmond. Did provide a contest at stoppages and around the ground, but more is expected from him.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/114700/default.aspx
Browne has already surpassed him at VFL level. All this from someone more than 3 years his junior.
Lets keep going with someone who may have an AFL future in Browne until/if he tires, ifthat happens hopefully Derickx is then knocking the door down for a taste so we can gauge his future.
David King wrote an article on Richmond for Inside Football this week, and was effusive in his praise. But he said this about our ruck situation:
Leysy Days said:
Good, glad the club is telling the truth on players. You don't go back to the VFL and just go allright and then get your spot back in a couple of weeks, you need to tear it apart for two or three weeks.
The Big Gus could be someone who GWS would see as a stop gap battering ram for two years with Giles.
If we got a pick inside 50 he would be gone.
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