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AFL to Charge Fans for Free Speech
- Thread starter Tony Braxton-Hicks
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Dont Argue said:
Polo Boy is used to hearing "I say, Jolly top shot Old Boy, bally good effort what!" said in a very plummy Pommie accent
Silent protest sounds good, better still let's all stay away from games.
But I suppose if there was no crowd they'll use Computer Generated crowd noise & crowds, just like they do for Portadelayde games.
The Big Richo said:
Some swearing is inevitable at a sport that evokes passion like football.
Suggest you'd be in strife if you wanted to pick a fight over bad language.
The 'F Word' Is No Longer Deemed Offensive In Australia
Some of the worst language I’ve heard at the footy actually comes from the ladies. I can remember one game where some young blokes kept saying things (no bad language, they’d just praise a player she’d unleashed a foul mouthed tirade at) to an old lady just to hear her responses. Would have been interesting to see the crowd behaviour controllers throw her out.
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Isn't the MCC members for those that prefer a swear free zone?
Suggest Big Richo doesn't sit with the cheers squad. He'd need to bring a medical kit. And a dictionary :rofl
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easy_tiger
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The Big Richo said:
I reckon there's different kinds of swearing, and its not really about which words are used, its about how they are used.
Ive got no dramas with swearing per se,
but I'll speak up if someone is being a scary OTT *smile*head around little (<6) kids.
and they are rare. their mates will usually censor them, or if you tell them to tone it down, they usually will in my experience.
An 88 year old lady belted me over the head with an umbrella really hard at The Gabba one night, back when you were allowed umbrellas, and when I was young and silly.
I apologised and she said no worries and I substituted bloody for the other words I was using too loud and often.
The Big Richo said:
I lived abroad for a long time. Would go to games when back for a visit. I remember an Essendon game at the G. Sat down picked a relatively empty spot, thought I'd be free of idiots. Two women sat down behind us, both of them towing young kids. Game starts. From behind was unleashed the most humorless profane vective Ive ever heard, not just at the footy. All Richmond action and players, plus umps, received an unbridled, irony free foul mouthed 2 hour dumping. And I mean foul. You name it they said it. C-smokers, ass-pokers, the lot. With their own kids there. That's the kind of garbage I'd like to see go.
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easy_tiger
Guest
The trajectory of this debate/initiative is really sh!tting me off and is a classic, cynical strategy that everyone who has a voice is falling for.
1. Point to a couple of fights and cite fan safety concerns (even though supporters dont feel unsafe)
2. Kick a couple of people out and make it very public for saying very innocuous things (bald headed flog)
3. roll out a heavy handed public response that infuriates everybody = ambit claim
4. Go ' yeah that was OTT and you can say bald headed flog, but you can't say *smile*. Rhymes with truck and starts with F'
5. Scale back the security and say 'its the fans game, we are sorry'
and suddenly, pretty much everyone with a voice is saying 'its not OK to swear at the footy'
when most of the time, it is OK. we are being comprehensively duped here.
Its not our game anymore. We have to endure superhero costumes and rebadged sh!t versions of the game, offensive away strips, stupid fixtures at unfriendly times, unpredictable and unpleasant rule changes and interpretations, substandard and culturally inappropriate application of technology, abysmal ticketing systems during finals, unprofessional and inconsistent suspension system, pathetic and unaccountable responses to cheating through drugs and tanking, price gouging on tickets and consumables, insulting ticket allocations for competing clubs at the grand final, and the list goes on and on and on.
On this specific issue. We've been saying Truck with an F at the footy, and the races and the pub for 150 years, in ways that have caused no harm. These are the places and ways where its OK to say *smile* really loudly.
There has to be these places.
people saying *smile* and crowd violence are entirely unrelated issues.
Corporates have places where they are allowed to say 'brand' and 'moving forward' and 'market share'
I find those terms very offensive, but they can say them in their places.
But the footy and the races and the pub are our places where we can yell *smile* really loud.
keep yelling it. it doesn't hurt anyone.
1. Point to a couple of fights and cite fan safety concerns (even though supporters dont feel unsafe)
2. Kick a couple of people out and make it very public for saying very innocuous things (bald headed flog)
3. roll out a heavy handed public response that infuriates everybody = ambit claim
4. Go ' yeah that was OTT and you can say bald headed flog, but you can't say *smile*. Rhymes with truck and starts with F'
5. Scale back the security and say 'its the fans game, we are sorry'
and suddenly, pretty much everyone with a voice is saying 'its not OK to swear at the footy'
when most of the time, it is OK. we are being comprehensively duped here.
Its not our game anymore. We have to endure superhero costumes and rebadged sh!t versions of the game, offensive away strips, stupid fixtures at unfriendly times, unpredictable and unpleasant rule changes and interpretations, substandard and culturally inappropriate application of technology, abysmal ticketing systems during finals, unprofessional and inconsistent suspension system, pathetic and unaccountable responses to cheating through drugs and tanking, price gouging on tickets and consumables, insulting ticket allocations for competing clubs at the grand final, and the list goes on and on and on.
On this specific issue. We've been saying Truck with an F at the footy, and the races and the pub for 150 years, in ways that have caused no harm. These are the places and ways where its OK to say *smile* really loudly.
There has to be these places.
people saying *smile* and crowd violence are entirely unrelated issues.
Corporates have places where they are allowed to say 'brand' and 'moving forward' and 'market share'
I find those terms very offensive, but they can say them in their places.
But the footy and the races and the pub are our places where we can yell *smile* really loud.
keep yelling it. it doesn't hurt anyone.
easy said:
All true, and this bit especially. Well said.
People don't go to the footy to cause offence. If the odd expletive slips out in a fit of passion, it's not a crime.
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easy_tiger
Guest
Theres a comment below Joffas article that made me laugh.
went to the tune of
'keep fighting the fight Joffa or they'll be mandating front teeth at the footy next'
:rofl
some of the comments people are saying are extraordinary.
one says
'back in the 70's and 80's, there was no swearing at the footy'
I kid you not. That must be a Melbourne supporter, who only went when the played hawks at The G and they sat in the Longroom with earplugs in and earmuffs over the top.
dont let this debate be shifted to the words that can and can't be said.
The rare psycho on meth being physically and verbally violent MUST be differentiated from the ordinary Men and women and their kids who yell 'ohhhhhhh get *smile*, that's been in the back for 100 years'
went to the tune of
'keep fighting the fight Joffa or they'll be mandating front teeth at the footy next'
:rofl
some of the comments people are saying are extraordinary.
one says
'back in the 70's and 80's, there was no swearing at the footy'
I kid you not. That must be a Melbourne supporter, who only went when the played hawks at The G and they sat in the Longroom with earplugs in and earmuffs over the top.
dont let this debate be shifted to the words that can and can't be said.
The rare psycho on meth being physically and verbally violent MUST be differentiated from the ordinary Men and women and their kids who yell 'ohhhhhhh get *smile*, that's been in the back for 100 years'
easy said:
I like those the best. Jack Dyer had to put on his police uniform and draw his gun to get out of Arden St alive. Even then they chased his car and pelted it with rocks.
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easy_tiger
Guest
Gill the Dill has shown that he has as much feel for the game, and the punters as Honk Kong's Carrie Lam has for her constituents.
His decision to use heavy handed tactics by employing Fans Losing Our Game Stiffs, ie, Flogs will be a legacy that he will be forever remembered for.
His decision to use heavy handed tactics by employing Fans Losing Our Game Stiffs, ie, Flogs will be a legacy that he will be forever remembered for.
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easy_tiger
Guest
An interesting aspect of this debate I reckon is that
we sort of have two goto, high impact swear words
there's *smile* (rhymes with truck) and *smile* (rhymes with runt)
in society, and at the footy, we tolerate certain uses of truck and we dont tolerate others
for example, at work, if you hit your thumb with a hammer, its acceptable to yell out 'Truck'
or in a board room, the boss could probably say 'we are trucked if we dont adapt'
we wouldn't tolerate the boss screaming at her workers .... 'Truck You'
and at the footy, we dont tolerate someone directing it at players, or over using it around small children.
Runt, on the other hand, is a word that carries more punch in society, and is largely unacceptable in public (although I have used it, and regretted it)
for a reason I have never really understood,
women seem to react particularly strongly to this word, and I respect that.
Its been argued to me that's its their genitalia, and it shouldn't be co-opted, but women call me a *smile* frequently.
regardless of the reason, its not accepted, and I respect that.
everyone accepts bloody, bugger, *smile* etc etc.
which brings us back to the debate.
I would personally be outraged if the AFL provided clarity
and prescribed 'you may yell bloody *smile* bugger, but not truck or runt'
but id be OK if they went
'Truck is an acceptable word when not directed as an insult at an individual, but Runt is unacceptable'
thoughts?
we sort of have two goto, high impact swear words
there's *smile* (rhymes with truck) and *smile* (rhymes with runt)
in society, and at the footy, we tolerate certain uses of truck and we dont tolerate others
for example, at work, if you hit your thumb with a hammer, its acceptable to yell out 'Truck'
or in a board room, the boss could probably say 'we are trucked if we dont adapt'
we wouldn't tolerate the boss screaming at her workers .... 'Truck You'
and at the footy, we dont tolerate someone directing it at players, or over using it around small children.
Runt, on the other hand, is a word that carries more punch in society, and is largely unacceptable in public (although I have used it, and regretted it)
for a reason I have never really understood,
women seem to react particularly strongly to this word, and I respect that.
Its been argued to me that's its their genitalia, and it shouldn't be co-opted, but women call me a *smile* frequently.
regardless of the reason, its not accepted, and I respect that.
everyone accepts bloody, bugger, *smile* etc etc.
which brings us back to the debate.
I would personally be outraged if the AFL provided clarity
and prescribed 'you may yell bloody *smile* bugger, but not truck or runt'
but id be OK if they went
'Truck is an acceptable word when not directed as an insult at an individual, but Runt is unacceptable'
thoughts?
easy said:
All very interesting Easy but the issue is that it's not about individual swear words, its about language that is "interpreted" as abuse, such as green maggot and bald headed flog, both of which are not swear words.
I'm personally looking forward to them kicking me out for screaming " these pretzels are making me thirsty"
Those mucking runts.
easy said:
Don't think it's workable to prescribe a list for everyone. Some even resent *smile*, while I've heard women use Runt with abandon.
I don't think bad language is something that should be encouraged; just an understanding that you may hear it at the footy. A bit of tolerance for the prevailing culture. If you're prone to the occasional bomb you should consider taking yourself to standing room, where the "rules" are a bit looser.
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easy_tiger
Guest
Dont Argue said:
green maggot is off the table for debate.
that's a not-negotiable part of our position.
I reckon if Gil wants to stick in ambit claims, obviously designed as part of the superhero, AFLX strategy to increase market share and attract more sheltered only children,
then our opening position should be
'we want free entry, beer and pies for all club members, an expensive and tiny 'precious persons' section (with limited views) , 50,010.5 seats allocated to each participating team in the grand final, Gils resignation, Sydney Stack inducted into the hall of fame immediately and Steven Silvani be forcibly appointed head of recruitment of Collingwood on a lifetime deal'
