I suspect the guys with ACL's Hammies, Calf Strains probably dont do as much training as the restGive you a tip
The 40 players all train together
Rubbish excuse
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Well they have exposure to the game plan and the 3 team meetings they have during the week
If they don’t understand they shouldn’t be playing Elite Football
Where are the camels by the way
Nothing to do with coaches sorry to breake news. Effort, pressure and intensity on players that's not negotiable on there behalf in any level of footy.
That's the problem with modern footy. You can't drag someone who is not performing like you used to be able. It was embarrassing if you ever got dragged. Now they all come off.
If someone gives away a stupid 50 & gives away a goal, off you come son.
I'll say again point the finger at Yze etc on certain areas and Meehan etc. The biggest picture is who is running the footy department Livingstone and Blair under Gale. Last 2 seasons they have not read the writing on the wall , poor management and standards and poor appointments. We're is there accountability.
Very simple beefup the footy department get the best around Yze. For me super important.
Very simple beefup the footy department get the best around Yze. For me super important.
Let’s not forget that Newman and possibly Ziebell are the only assistants that Yze had any say in appointing.
I’d like to think that Yze would have a huge say in who his assistants are as the current crop’s contracts expire. Building a team of coaches that you want and trust should be a non negotiable for any senior coach.
What?
This notion is really dumb.
If Yze needs a Clayton Oliver from the national draft to help drive a midfield to win territory more often than not then that’s perfectly reasonable.
The reality is all flag-winning teams have stars on every line. Yze has been saddled with a bunch of kids and has-beens.
You put far too much faith in our list and far too little in our head coach, who survived a rigorous selection process for a reason. He is renowned to be one of the most gifted tacticians in the game and there is no valid reason to doubt this.
Conversely, our list is in terrible shape and there is no valid reason to doubt this either.
So what if Yze needs good players? Shock horror.
This isn’t under 10s footy where an under-skilled team gets to dump it long to contests.
If Yze is demanding skill and precision then he should get a fair crack at turning over the *smile* list until he gets it.
I didn't say he doesn't need stars to win a flag.
I said it shouldn't need a bunch of first rounders just to function.
There's a difference.
Hardwick and his brains trust found a way to immunise mistakes on the footy field.
It was a miracle, a revolution in footy tactics.
That won’t happen again. Yze is a different beast altogether and clearly, *clearly* requires different skill sets to what he was saddled with.
Our next flag will be driven by more technical virtues.
So what if he demands a certain level this squad can learn but cannot yet execute? It sets an ongoing standard and is good for the club despite all the hand-wringing on here.
We learn who is good enough whilst also cruising to the high end of the draft. Win-win.
Unless, of course, you are a tribal supporter who instinctively demands blood whenever the losses start to mount.
I’d suggest we all give Yze time, but thankfully the club will rightly ignore us and remain focused on the long term like any elite club should.
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Who is demanding blood?
I haven't heard any 'Sack the coach' calls.
We have won 2 games and have a percentage of 60.
We have had more completely uncompetitive quarters and games than we have in any season for 10 years.
Calling an unproven coach in charge of this a brilliant tactician, and tracking along nicely just seems like blind faith.
Which is also fine.
He has time. He has given us very little yet. No one's really expecting to see anything for the rest of the year, so it's a free hit.
But we need to improve next year. At best, finishing bottom nets you one more elite player each year, if you get lucky and draft well. That can't be the ongoing plan.
He is. Read between the lines on what he's said in some pressers and especially last week (where he somehow let it slip a bit) on SEN on Lyon's and Watson's show. Needs to balance it out in case the media picks it up.
Love this.
Do you adjust the plan to meet the standard or play the long game and keep the standard.
We bemoan our skill off half back and turnovers and loopy kicks that get picked off. Seeing that your skill isn’t good enough provides massive feedback you neee to improve that skill or your spot is in jeopardy in the medium turn.
The training reports seem to back up that this is the standard being expected.
I get both arguments but you need to take a view on what will stand up under finals pressure and go for that view.
Short term we have some senior players not pulling their weight for form/injury/mental application which is a separate issue. Ones like broad, mcintosh and Tarranto aren’t in this camp.
Your contribution to this ridiculous thread tells me you have gone to the shed to get the pitchfork.
Either embrace sanity or join Stig and his mob
Precisely Roar.
At the end of the day I don’t see much need for endless analysis of why we are where we are.
We have very few stars anymore.
Even the likes of Vlastuin and Broad are no longer stars. Due to age, contentment, whatever, they cannot maintain their previous standards week to week and therefore cannot be considered stars.
Our list is probably bottom three for pure talent (St Kilda is arguably below us)
Embrace the Carter doctrine.
All other ways lie insanity.
We will accept no discussion which contravenes dogma.
So it is written.
Could be later depending on injuries and maturity of our draft picks.
And one player stubbed his toe trying to execute a footpass!
I guess supporters need something to talk about.
The team is obviously struggling with lack of continuity and personnel.
I have been to 7-8 games live this year and seen some big losses. I am constantly amazed when I read how some posters have seen a game when they watch it on TV compared with seeing it live.
Anyway the take I have had over the last two games is that the biggest issue is disposal. In both games we were well in it in general play for long periods, our opposition hit targets and we didn’t. We didn’t get value for effort and that can be demoralising.
The hawks game we were in it for long periods but got little scoreboard reward. We stayed with Carlton for a long period on Sunday through a massive effort in contested possession, but we spent too much petrol doing it. In 5 minutes the game was gone, demoralising.
Forget the scoreboard and watch the general play. We don’t get reward for effort because we don’t hit targets and when that effort wains for a period it’s game over. In the last 2 weeks we have played 2 sides I would say or number 2-3 in the AFL over the last 6-7 weeks. In general play there is no way they were 8-10 goal games, but when a team doesn’t convert effort into scores that’s what happens.
Recruiting is the key. Game plan and finishing will come with quality and continuity. We need at least 2 high quality mids who have elite kicking skills. We need another key forward but also we need 2 medium/small forwards who can hit the scoreboard.
A debate about whether Yze can coach or not is hot air imo. Our number one priority has to be to improve our cattle and with it improve our skill level and ability to convert effort into scoring. Then we can truly judge the coach
The team is obviously struggling with lack of continuity and personnel.
I have been to 7-8 games live this year and seen some big losses. I am constantly amazed when I read how some posters have seen a game when they watch it on TV compared with seeing it live.
Anyway the take I have had over the last two games is that the biggest issue is disposal. In both games we were well in it in general play for long periods, our opposition hit targets and we didn’t. We didn’t get value for effort and that can be demoralising.
The hawks game we were in it for long periods but got little scoreboard reward. We stayed with Carlton for a long period on Sunday through a massive effort in contested possession, but we spent too much petrol doing it. In 5 minutes the game was gone, demoralising.
Forget the scoreboard and watch the general play. We don’t get reward for effort because we don’t hit targets and when that effort wains for a period it’s game over. In the last 2 weeks we have played 2 sides I would say or number 2-3 in the AFL over the last 6-7 weeks. In general play there is no way they were 8-10 goal games, but when a team doesn’t convert effort into scores that’s what happens.
Recruiting is the key. Game plan and finishing will come with quality and continuity. We need at least 2 high quality mids who have elite kicking skills. We need another key forward but also we need 2 medium/small forwards who can hit the scoreboard.
A debate about whether Yze can coach or not is hot air imo. Our number one priority has to be to improve our cattle and with it improve our skill level and ability to convert effort into scoring. Then we can truly judge the coach
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Well said. The other obvious thing is the lack of connection. Because of the number of newer players and constant changes to the line up there is a clear lack of connection. We’re not predictable to one another anymore.
You're right about being there compared to watching it on TV, however the not hitting targets are obvious via TV and my major groan every time I see it. As for playing teams when in-form such as Cartoon and Dorks, get ready for another one, Freo, next week in WA. GWS will also beat Cartoon and we meet them next. We've seriously walked under 20 ladders this season.....
It's the effort bit that is hard on TV. You see nothing off the ball, the amount players run to be with opponents and to close down space. There is also a depth perception issue where it can look like someone doesn't try and tackle but in reality they are out of reach as an example.
I've watched boundary throw ins as another example from up close and see players labelled as soft getting hit hard in contests.
You are right about Freo but it is a pity we haven't played the giants at the MCG is the last 4-6 weeks because they aren't playing well. We have a tough run over the next month.
