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A voice from Generation Y

As a gross generalisation the gen y does expect the world. Nice cars (I'm not driving a *smile* box!) a nice McMansion (or trendy inner city location) or the " stay at home til 30 so i can spend all my money" on:
Coffees, eating out, $10 drinks, the latest iPhone, a 3d 560 inch TV, shopping for recreational activity, tattoos........
 
tigertim said:
As a gross generalisation the gen y does expect the world. Nice cars (I'm not driving a sh!t box!) a nice McMansion (or trendy inner city location) or the " stay at home til 30 so i can spend all my money" on:
Coffees, eating out, $10 drinks, the latest iPhone, a 3d 560 inch TV, shopping for recreational activity, tattoos........

But that stay at home thing is the parents doing as well. When I turned 17 and got my apprenticeship, the old man started charging me board and leaving the 'for rent' ads lying open on the couch.

I find it amazing nowadays. Parents seem quite happy to fully support and waiting hand and foot on kids earning more than they do. And kids seem quite happy to keep sleeping in the Sesame St bedsheets until 35.
 
tigersnake said:
But that stay at home thing is the parents doing as well. When I turned 17 and got my apprenticeship, the old man started charging me board and leaving the 'for rent' ads lying open on the couch.
I did that to my son when he finished school. I also did the "what I'm gunna do with your room when you move out" routine which gave him the *smile* I later found out :hihi
 
tigertim said:
I did that to my son when he finished school. I also did the "what I'm gunna do with your room when you move out" routine which gave him the sh!ts I later found out :hihi

;D

Of course he wouldn't have been happy. Sometimes people need a kick up the arse, I know I have at times. The counter argument to this is that its a European communal, traditional way of living. Where that argument falls down though is that under that model, all family member contribute in $$ and work. From where I stand that isn't the case, generally speaking of course. Mum and Dad work, adult kid works, adult kid pays no bills and does no or very little housework.

I know of one case where the dad even takes the son's car to be serviced, AND PAYS FOR IT. The Dad has a much more demanding job, son earns good dough, Just one of many examples. Got me stuffed, stand on your own 2 feet son.
 
My dad had a very simple saying when we were growing up and then out into the workforce,

" My house, my rules, if you don't like them there's the front door "

Things have changed from when i was a kid, gone are the day's when you had nothing to do, you would grab the footy (in winter) or the bat and ball (summer) and head to the local park rustling up a few of the local kids along the way and games of footy or cricket were started, now if a kid is bored all they have to do is open the internet or jump on the PS3 or wii or whatever other piece of technology they have and you don't see them for hours, go past a local park and you are struggling to see any resemblence of a game of kick to kick or a game of cricket going on, go to family outing and watch what the teenage kids are doing, are they playing games, yep, on their phones.
 
Generation Y is in the unenviable position of "coming of age" at a time when a Great Boom has come to an end.

Their parents and Grand-parents came of age in the period from 1948 to 2002. During this period, work was plentiful, housing was affordable, Western Governments collected serious amounts of money through historically-high levels of taxation and used it to raise the standard of living in their countries. They bled resources from the Third-world and used them to inflate the expectations of their citizens. Also during this period, women were able to extend their careers and work throughout their lives, leading to the relatively-new phenomenon of two-income families. A vibrant and burgeoning Middle-class grew out of these conditions.

Two-income Western families can afford to consume a hell of a lot and they do, simply because they can. The Gen-Yers referred to in the article were born into these families. They grow up enjoying a standard of living which they can't afford to match in adult life. For them, work is less secure and housing is less affordable. At the same time, their tastes are more sophisticated and their society is more consumer-oriented.

Our parents only went into debt to buy their home. Our generation extended debt to buy a home, renovate it and buy cars. Gen Y see debt as a necessity of life, using it for overseas holidays and technology consumer items. Our parents were in the same jobs for 40 years, making widgets in an assembly-line. Our generation has had careers, changing jobs when we wanted to, generally offering well-paid services. Gen Y see work as optional, just as work sees them as optional. They see renting as a viable alternative because it allows them to continue to live beyond their means. Why lock yourself into a mortgage and give up $10 designer beers which are much more fun?

The best advice we can give Gen Y is to lose the expectation of entitlement and go out and create their own corner of the world because no-one else will do it for them.
 
Come on people...while I agree with many of your sentiments, isn't the fact the Gen-Y are the way they are the fault of the previous generation?

The young generation of today are encouraged to stay home as long as possible, have been brought up under rules where no corporal punishment at school, slaps on wrists when jail terms are warranted, and competing with the Jones' is mandatory.

Its because we have gone down the road of being more "forgiving" as a race. Where people are given second and third chances. Where we prefer to talk instead of resorting to actions. Where its easier to blame someone else than to take responsibilty and face the consequences.

I think its a bit hypocritical of people slamming Gen-Y when they are only who they are because of the way they have been raised and the society they have been raised in.
 
TOT70 said:
Generation Y is in the unenviable position of "coming of age" at a time when a Great Boom has come to an end.

Their parents and Grand-parents came of age in the period from 1948 to 2002. During this period, work was plentiful, housing was affordable, Western Governments collected serious amounts of money through historically-high levels of taxation and used it to raise the standard of living in their countries. They bled resources from the Third-world and used them to inflate the expectations of their citizens. Also during this period, women were able to extend their careers and work throughout their lives, leading to the relatively-new phenomenon of two-income families. A vibrant and burgeoning Middle-class grew out of these conditions.

Two-income Western families can afford to consume a hell of a lot and they do, simply because they can. The Gen-Yers referred to in the article were born into these families. They grow up enjoying a standard of living which they can't afford to match in adult life. For them, work is less secure and housing is less affordable. At the same time, their tastes are more sophisticated and their society is more consumer-oriented.

Our parents only went into debt to buy their home. Our generation extended debt to buy a home, renovate it and buy cars. Gen Y see debt as a necessity of life, using it for overseas holidays and technology consumer items. Our parents were in the same jobs for 40 years, making widgets in and assembly-line. Our generation has had careers, changing jobs when we wanted to, generally offering well-paid services. Gen Y see work as optional, just as work sees them as optional. They see renting as a viable alternative because it allows them to continue to live beyond their means. Why lock yourself into a mortgage and give up $10 designer beers which are much more fun?

The best advice we can give Gen Y is to lose the expectation of entitlement and go out and create their own corner of the world because no-one else will do it for them.

This is just so true ... an insightful summary of why they are like they are.

There is a show on TV here, loosely translating the title into English is "The Luxury Trap". Each week, two financial experts visit a family in financial trouble and help them with a plan to get out of it. My wife loves it but I get so frustrated and annoyed watching it. Invariably the family is a couple in their late 20s or early 30s with one or two small children, who have borrowed their way into a staggering amount of debt - often six figures in Australian dollar terms.

You can see that this couple got used to a relatively luxurious way of life in their teens and early 20s. They probably had a nice job, were very enthusiastic about it, worked long hours, etc. etc. Then they met, married, had kids, and reality set in. One or maybe both lose their jobs, they are less hard-working. But they still want it all. The amount of money they borrow for things OTHER than a house or car (e.g., holidays) was amazing, and what was even more so is that they are allowed to do it.
 
tigertim said:
*smile* he can't afford a house in Melbourne! Plenty of affordable housing in Frankston, Cranbourne, Carrum Downs, Officer, Pakenham, Melton.....

Oh, but Tom wants affordability in Richmond, Carlton or some other trendy inner suburb! Stop ya whingeing boy and re-assess YOUR affordability!
Agree. Stop whining and look in Frankston or Bayswater - put your head down for a few years then trade up to the suburb you prefer.

Try paying 13- 17% interest like a lot of us had to back in the late 80s/ early 90s. That'll give you something to moan about.
 
evo said:
Agree. Stop whining and look in Frankston or Bayswater - put your head down for a few years then trade up to the suburb you prefer.

Try paying 13- 17% interest like a lot of us had to back in the late 80s/ early 90s. That'll give you something to moan about.

GEN X - best generation ever!! We did it our way. ;D

(Especially the Richmond failures)
 
TOT70 said:
Generation Y is in the unenviable position of "coming of age" at a time when a Great Boom has come to an end.

Their parents and Grand-parents came of age in the period from 1948 to 2002. During this period, work was plentiful, housing was affordable, Western Governments collected serious amounts of money through historically-high levels of taxation and used it to raise the standard of living in their countries. They bled resources from the Third-world and used them to inflate the expectations of their citizens. Also during this period, women were able to extend their careers and work throughout their lives, leading to the relatively-new phenomenon of two-income families. A vibrant and burgeoning Middle-class grew out of these conditions.

Two-income Western families can afford to consume a hell of a lot and they do, simply because they can. The Gen-Yers referred to in the article were born into these families. They grow up enjoying a standard of living which they can't afford to match in adult life. For them, work is less secure and housing is less affordable. At the same time, their tastes are more sophisticated and their society is more consumer-oriented.

Our parents only went into debt to buy their home. Our generation extended debt to buy a home, renovate it and buy cars. Gen Y see debt as a necessity of life, using it for overseas holidays and technology consumer items. Our parents were in the same jobs for 40 years, making widgets in an assembly-line. Our generation has had careers, changing jobs when we wanted to, generally offering well-paid services. Gen Y see work as optional, just as work sees them as optional. They see renting as a viable alternative because it allows them to continue to live beyond their means. Why lock yourself into a mortgage and give up $10 designer beers which are much more fun?

The best advice we can give Gen Y is to lose the expectation of entitlement and go out and create their own corner of the world because no-one else will do it for them.

Very good broad brush summary. Especially the bleeding of the third world, I'd also add the bleeding of the environment as if it was an infinite resource. Both of those things, huge generators of easy wealth, are no longer acceptable and/or sustainable. I think society must get less consumer focussed to become healthier and sustainable. Times change, Gen Y will have it easier in some ways and harder in others. I do sympathise in some ways, in the distant past when it appears houses were cheaper, in many ways they were'nt. Wages were lower, house loans were very hard to get, (30% deposit, imagine that!), interest rates were higher. There was a window in there though, 98-02, when interest rates were low and good houses in good areas were cheap. Anyone who got in then is sitting pretty.
 
Just as a matter of interest.

Average wage in 1984 was about $16,500 and the median house price in Melbourne was about $65,000, approximately 4 times the average wage. In 2011, we are looking at average wages of $41,000 and median house price in Melbourne of $534,000. That is 13 times the average wage.
 
TOT70 said:
Just as a matter of interest.

Average wage in 1984 was about $16,500 and the median house price in Melbourne was about $65,000, approximately 4 times the average wage. In 2011, we are looking at average wages of $41,000 and median house price in Melbourne of $534,000. That is 13 times the average wage.

I thought the average wage was $55K odd? anyway I take your point, and it is very relevant, but it isn't that simple. For example the interest payments on a $200K mortage at 15% is $30K pa (1990??, help me out evo). the interest payments on $400K at 7.5% $30K pa. (now).

I remember I lived with a mate in Bris in the early 1990s who had an investment property with his sister in Yarraville VIC. Interest rates just kept going up, he just kept having to work longer and longer hours, and he did not live high on the hog.
 
TOT70 said:
Just as a matter of interest.

Average wage in 1984 was about $16,500 and the median house price in Melbourne was about $65,000, approximately 4 times the average wage. In 2011, we are looking at average wages of $41,000 and median house price in Melbourne of $534,000. That is 13 times the average wage.
The average wage in 2011 was more than $41000 but yeah, I get what your saying.

I'm reading Greg Chappells book and he was saying that as a cricket wage to average house price ratio that the players were far better paid in the 40,s than players in the 70,s! Hence the unrest that led to WSC.
 
I'm currently 20 and looking to leave home at 21. I'm employed by a financial firm in my town, on a low salary. I own my car that I paid for when my dad's novated lease ended. I have managed to put away about $25,000 (mainly in shares) so far and am trying to save more by opening a managed fund which I am contributing $500 a month to. I've got a long way to go for a deposit on a house but am trying hard to save what I can.

I do get jealous when friends have parents that bought them a car knowing considering how long it took me to save my money, while I watched those same friends p!ss their cash up against the wall.

I'm trying to make sure I have myself in a reasonable position for the future, but I am one of not many to be honest. It amazes me how much money my friends can bur without realising, but that just may be because I'm a massive tightarse. ;D

EDIT: I also pay board. Albetit a measely $130 a month, which I complain about to Dad so he doesn't up the price on me! (I know he won't see this post as he doesn't venture outside Dyer-Tribe. ;) )
 
Tigertool said:
I'm currently 20 and looking to leave home at 21. I'm employed by a financial firm in my town, on a low salary. I own my car that I paid for when my dad's novated lease ended. I have managed to put away about $25,000 (mainly in shares) so far and am trying to save more by opening a managed fund which I am contributing $500 a month to. I've got a long way to go for a deposit on a house but am trying hard to save what I can.

I do get jealous when friends have parents that bought them a car knowing considering how long it took me to save my money, while I watched those same friends p!ss their cash up against the wall.

I'm trying to make sure I have myself in a reasonable position for the future, but I am one of not many to be honest. It amazes me how much money my friends can bur without realising, but that just may be because I'm a massive tightarse. ;D
Nothing wrong with being a tight arse TT! And as I said earlier my observations of the gen y are a gross generalisation and don't apply to all (and it seems, you) well done btw.
 
Tigertool said:
I'm currently 20 and looking to leave home at 21. I'm employed by a financial firm in my town, on a low salary. I own my car that I paid for when my dad's novated lease ended. I have managed to put away about $25,000 (mainly in shares) so far and am trying to save more by opening a managed fund which I am contributing $500 a month to. I've got a long way to go for a deposit on a house but am trying hard to save what I can.

I do get jealous when friends have parents that bought them a car knowing considering how long it took me to save my money, while I watched those same friends p!ss their cash up against the wall.

I'm trying to make sure I have myself in a reasonable position for the future, but I am one of not many to be honest. It amazes me how much money my friends can bur without realising, but that just may be because I'm a massive tightarse. ;D

Good on ya Toolman. When I was 20 I was on good money, I'd finished my trade, but pissing it up against the wall and borrowing big for flashy cars, dumb. I didn't twig until 24, and it was kind of by accident. When I was 20 a mate I worked with in Braeside's Mum died, he was selling her small, run-down house in St Kilda and told me I should buy it. "why the bloody hell would I want to do that for?" I replied, seriously. He wanted $30K for it.
 
tigertim said:
Nothing wrong with being a tight arse TT! And as I said earlier my observations of the gen y are a gross generalisation and don't apply to all (and it seems, you) well done btw.

Thanks mate. :)

I actually agree with you, as definitely the majority don't seem to pay attention to the future, nor the value of a dollar.
 
Tigertool said:
EDIT: I also pay board. Albetit a measely $130 a month, which I complain about to Dad so he doesn't up the price on me! (I know he won't see this post as he doesn't venture outside Dyer-Tribe. ;) )

;D Bet he sees it