A Preseason Preview - Part 6 of 16 - Carlton

[johnson2richo2003]

but wrong about krakouer. if he has another bad yr this yr will you jump of him.

if his form warrants it yes.still cant see why you jump on him all the time as you put it.Even you can conceded he has that magic that only a few have.A bit hard to play your natural game when the ball zig zags all over the place.the new plan by TW may bring the best out of the kid.

 

[Bentleigh]

Conclusion:
If this side had a quality CHF in 2005, I would back them for a surprise top 4 finish.

Oh my God man. Pagan got abosutly everything out of them in '04 with 10 wins.

I wouldnt be surpised if they came bottem 4 next season.

Credit to Pagan that he got absolutely everything, that they had to give him, out of them in '04 with 10 wins. Unlike our team who gave their coach very little in 2004 for whatever reasons.

In 2005 they will have more to give him yet. If they keep on giving him everything, they will get their rewards.

PS: Don't take that bombastic tone with me, sonny jim.

Ill take what ever tone I like sunshine. If you honestly expect Carlton is 1 KP away from being a top 4 side you really have little idea.

I have always been keen to read your opions but ive lost alot of repsect for you.

Carlton = recylced players, average.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Love your matchups Phanto.

A couple of Obs. If Kouta's fit he is arguably the best inside midfielder in the land. I agree with Jackson as the first chioice matchup. I'd like to see him aim to play inside the old bloke at the stoppages and run off him hard, forward and into the corridor (usually) when we're in posession. If Kouta starts creaming us at the stoppages (as he did to the very young Cogs last time they met) we may need to double team him, set traps, push him backwards, all the usual stuff. Or we could go with an all running midfield (No Cogs, Johnson, Campbell, Krakouer, Bowden. Jeez, that's a lot who can't run isn't it?)

Tivendale gave Stevens a towelling last time they met (N.S. playing for Port at the time). Stevens is not a player who has responded well to close tagging in the past and I'd be confident that either of Tivver or Hyde would slap him. I'd actually start Tivver on Stevens and Hyde on Camporeale.

You've got to be careful with Lappin. The willo'thewisp can get under your guard. Pagan sets him on slow opponents with a view to exploiting their lack of pace. Pagan's first choice opponent for Lappin will be Campbell. (He will increasingly be the preferred match up for opposition runners.) All the fresh youngsters should be briefed to HUNT DOWN Lappin. He won't survive the pressure.

The Tiges enjoy a big advantage in the spine. Fevola is a leading player and a beautiful kick from 50m. His paddock is closed for the day. Let's see him take a mark if there's someone else in the area. Midfielders and HFF'S to push back to Fevola's flanks to shut them down. Make him play inside the arc. Gaspar will  beat him there.

DeIuca is a risk. Has had his moments against Hall in the past and Gaspar has always struggled against quicker leading LARGE forwards. Hmm...Archibald? Hall first choice. Plan B needs work.

Up the other end Carlton has no-one who can go with Richo. If he plays FF Pagan will double team him, crowd his lanes, the usual. He'd destroy any of them one out with any supply. Let Stafford and Simmonds rotate at full forward. They must play Prendergast at full back then (Livingston and Thornton way too small). Their plan B will probably be Thornton. OK. Let Richo run around at HF. They can't crowd or double team him there and he will dominate any of their options. If they try Teague in either of the KP's we know they are out of options. Cool the tinnies.

One more note. In the past Pagan has matched up Fisher, Lappin, Waite, blokes who are too light and weak for KP on Richmond's slow midfielders (plenty to choose from in the past). They run off their counterparts and each is good enough to take a mark close to the traffic in the forward line. This is bludging and is not to be tolerated. If our midfielders are too slow or important to man up on these lepers, they can practice it at the City Oval. Aim: No goals from this trio.

The main worry is supply- the midfield. If we could get 46% of the play, we'd win this game.

 

[pahoffm]

Ill take what ever tone I like sunshine. If you honestly expect Carlton is 1 KP away from being a top 4 side you really have little idea.

I have always been keen to read your opions but ive lost alot of repsect for you.

Carlton = recylced players, average.

A Bentleigh. you've given yourself away.
There's only one person in the whole of the Richmond Football Club who addresses people they dislike as "Sunshine" and that's Gary Cameron the Treasurer of the RFC. You have previously called me Sunshine, as you would recall.

You may deny it. But everyone who knows you will recognise your comment of "Sunshine" immediately. You use it too often. You're not smart enough to disguise yourself.

So Gary, have you decided now to come on to PRE to see if you can discredit me. Whoopee do!

Tell me Gary, how does it feel to be the worst Treasurer that the RFC has ever had in its history?

Respect for me, I've got no respect for you Cameron. You sat silent for months while our club almost went broke.

You're only the Treasurer now because Miller got you over the line, So go suck on that Sunshine.
Cameron, I have no respect for you.

 

[pahoffm]

Love your matchups Phanto.

A couple of Obs. If Kouta's fit he is arguably the best inside midfielder in the land. I agree with Jackson as the first chioice matchup. I'd like to see him aim to play inside the old bloke at the stoppages and run off him hard, forward and into the corridor (usually) when we're in posession. If Kouta starts creaming us at the stoppages (as he did to the very young Cogs last time they met) we may need to double team him, set traps, push him backwards, all the usual stuff. Or we could go with an all running midfield (No Cogs, Johnson, Campbell, Krakouer, Bowden. Jeez, that's a lot who can't run isn't it?)

Tivendale gave Stevens a towelling last time they met (N.S. playing for Port at the time). Stevens is not a player who has responded well to close tagging in the past and I'd be confident that either of Tivver or Hyde would slap him. I'd actually start Tivver on Stevens and Hyde on Camporeale.

You've got to be careful with Lappin. The willo'thewisp can get under your guard. Pagan sets him on slow opponents with a view to exploiting their lack of pace. Pagan's first choice opponent for Lappin will be Campbell. (He will increasingly be the preferred match up for opposition runners.) All the fresh youngsters should be briefed to HUNT DOWN Lappin. He won't survive the pressure.

The Tiges enjoy a big advantage in the spine. Fevola is a leading player and a beautiful kick from 50m. His paddock is closed for the day. Let's see him take a mark if there's someone else in the area. Midfielders and HFF'S to push back to Fevola's flanks to shut them down. Make him play inside the arc. Gaspar will  beat him there.

DeIuca is a risk. Has had his moments against Hall in the past and Gaspar has always struggled against quicker leading LARGE forwards. Hmm...Archibald? Hall first choice. Plan B needs work.

Up the other end Carlton has no-one who can go with Richo. If he plays FF Pagan will double team him, crowd his lanes, the usual. He'd destroy any of them one out with any supply. Let Stafford and Simmonds rotate at full forward. They must play Prendergast at full back then (Livingston and Thornton way too small). Their plan B will probably be Thornton. OK. Let Richo run around at HF. They can't crowd or double team him there and he will dominate any of their options. If they try Teague in either of the KP's we know they are out of options. Cool the tinnies.

One more note. In the past Pagan has matched up Fisher, Lappin, Waite, blokes who are too light and weak for KP on Richmond's slow midfielders (plenty to choose from in the past). They run off their counterparts and each is good enough to take a mark close to the traffic in the forward line. This is bludging and is not to be tolerated. If our midfielders are too slow or important to man up on these lepers, they can practice it at the City Oval. Aim: No goals from this trio.

The main worry is supply- the midfield. If we could get 46% of the play, we'd win this game.

Some great observations there Big Jack. I'd agree with all of them.
Basically until our midfield becomes potent enough we will usually be at a disdvantage against most sides.

 

[Bentleigh]

So go suck on that Sunshine.
Cameron, I have no respect for you.

Do you honestly beleive im 'Gary Cameron the Treasurer of the RFC'?

 

[Dyer'ere]

Tx Phanto. Between the two of us I reckon we could get the Tiges over the line agin the old enemy. ;D

I occasionally let go with a "sunshine" but I can count and add up. Therefore ineligible for work in the accounting department at RFC. ;D

 

[pahoffm]

Do you honestly beleive im 'Gary Cameron the Treasurer of the RFC'?

Personally I don't care "Sunshine".

 

[an_oxford_man]

Love your matchups Phanto.

A couple of Obs. If Kouta's fit he is arguably the best inside midfielder in the land. I agree with Jackson as the first chioice matchup. I'd like to see him aim to play inside the old bloke at the stoppages and run off him hard, forward and into the corridor (usually) when we're in posession. If Kouta starts creaming us at the stoppages (as he did to the very young Cogs last time they met) we may need to double team him, set traps, push him backwards, all the usual stuff. Or we could go with an all running midfield (No Cogs, Johnson, Campbell, Krakouer, Bowden. Jeez, that's a lot who can't run isn't it?)

Tivendale gave Stevens a towelling last time they met (N.S. playing for Port at the time). Stevens is not a player who has responded well to close tagging in the past and I'd be confident that either of Tivver or Hyde would slap him. I'd actually start Tivver on Stevens and Hyde on Camporeale.

You've got to be careful with Lappin. The willo'thewisp can get under your guard. Pagan sets him on slow opponents with a view to exploiting their lack of pace. Pagan's first choice opponent for Lappin will be Campbell. (He will increasingly be the preferred match up for opposition runners.) All the fresh youngsters should be briefed to HUNT DOWN Lappin. He won't survive the pressure.

The Tiges enjoy a big advantage in the spine. Fevola is a leading player and a beautiful kick from 50m. His paddock is closed for the day. Let's see him take a mark if there's someone else in the area. Midfielders and HFF'S to push back to Fevola's flanks to shut them down. Make him play inside the arc. Gaspar will  beat him there.

DeIuca is a risk. Has had his moments against Hall in the past and Gaspar has always struggled against quicker leading LARGE forwards. Hmm...Archibald? Hall first choice. Plan B needs work.

Up the other end Carlton has no-one who can go with Richo. If he plays FF Pagan will double team him, crowd his lanes, the usual. He'd destroy any of them one out with any supply. Let Stafford and Simmonds rotate at full forward. They must play Prendergast at full back then (Livingston and Thornton way too small). Their plan B will probably be Thornton. OK. Let Richo run around at HF. They can't crowd or double team him there and he will dominate any of their options. If they try Teague in either of the KP's we know they are out of options. Cool the tinnies.

One more note. In the past Pagan has matched up Fisher, Lappin, Waite, blokes who are too light and weak for KP on Richmond's slow midfielders (plenty to choose from in the past). They run off their counterparts and each is good enough to take a mark close to the traffic in the forward line. This is bludging and is not to be tolerated. If our midfielders are too slow or important to man up on these lepers, they can practice it at the City Oval. Aim: No goals from this trio.

The main worry is supply- the midfield. If we could get 46% of the play, we'd win this game.

Brilliant analysis, Dyer. I'm a big fan of your work.

Mail that to TW and we'll thump carlton by ten goals.

;D

 

[cmarkidis]

Brilliant analysis, Dyer. I'm a big fan of your work.

Mail that to TW and we'll thump carlton by ten goals.

;D

Good work Jack - but TW needs no advice from us frustrated ratbags. You can bet that with TW at the helm, not many (if any) games will be lost in the coaches box. A far cry from the last 2 so-called coaches - particularly the last moron!!

I will eat my hat if anyone can prove to me that Carlton has a better list than us. Better coached over the last 2 years - YES. Better list than ours - NO!! I put this question to you all - where would Carlton have finished in the last 2 years with dumb f*** Frawley as coach? And, where would Richmond have finished in the last 2 years with Pagan as coach?

We might take a few years to become a force to be reckoned with, but make no mistake, there is sufficient talent there for TW to have a real crack at the finals. Anyone thats been to training recently can't help but be impressed with kids like Tambling, Meyer, Raines, Roach, Deledio, McGuane.  Add to that established players like Brown, Johnson, Simmonds, Richardson, Bowden, Campbell, Stafford, Coughlan, Krakouer, Tivendale, etc; and I can't wait 'til we play those bluebaggers next!

TW is more likely to be pro-active than be re-active like we have become used to. Let the opposition worry about our strenghts for once - rather than triple-team Richo and game over!!

Maybe I'm a born optimist, but I'm taking the 3/1 tigers the finals - because we won't be anywhere near that price this time next year. And teams like Carlton I don't even rate!!

 

[Bentleigh]

Do you honestly beleive im 'Gary Cameron the Treasurer of the RFC'?

Personally I don't care "Sunshine".

You wrote a awful adressed to 'Cameron the Treasurer of the RFC'' for someone who doesnt care son.

Carlton is a very average side. No wear near top 4, much closer to the bottem 4.

 

[23.21.159]

I would like to think that the Treasurer of the RFC could spell better than that. ;D

 

[Bentleigh]

I would like to think that the Treasurer of the RFC could spell better than that.  ;D

Not too good with figures though aye?

 

[pahoffm]

Do you honestly beleive im 'Gary Cameron the Treasurer of the RFC'?

Personally I don't care "Sunshine".

You wrote a awful adressed to 'Cameron the Treasurer of the RFC'' for someone who doesnt care son.

Carlton is a very average side. No wear near top 4, much closer to the bottem 4.

My apologies Bentleigh.

On reading your last couple of posts I've realised that you're far too illiterate to be ever mistaken for Cameron. In fact no one could mistake you for anyone of a higher position.

You just go on being you Bentleigh, and life, for you "Sunshine", will go on in a very simple fashion.

Cheers to you Bentleigh. You can provide us all with a few laughs.

 

[Skills]

It was their defence, of course ably supported by their improved midfield, that made the difference for them in 2004. Their defence will be a year closer towards maturity in 2005. It will get even better still.

Funny how "engine" room & midfeild go hand-in-hand.
Yet, it's interesting to note, Carlton's improvement in 2004 (just like Collingwood's in 2002) was orchestrated by a hard running back-line.
If Carlton's improvement will come from "their defence" "ably supported by their midfeild", then this means Collingwood should also finish in the top 4 ?

Phantom, I will be very interested to see a prediction from you in the following area's:

Ladder positions?
GF Teams?
Premiers?
Biggest Improvers/ Losers?

 

[pahoffm]

Phantom, I will be very interested to see a prediction from you in the following area's:

Ladder positions?
GF Teams?
Premiers?
Biggest Improvers/ Losers?

Yep, thought I'd do that in a concluding thread.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Fevola took a contested(?) mark in one of the Gandalf games using his body to hold his ground behind an opponent and take a fairly simple grab. He moved back and to the side slightly to make position for a kick over his opponent. Walls, rightly observed that this may have been the influence of Carey.

Fevola's game is growing but is still not strong in the air. You might try someone like Newman on him, not a tall, and take fewer lumps rather than let him run a tall guy around as he does so well. Speed is still his main strength. Take it away from him and smile him up on the rebound. He's very important to them.