911 Truth Movement

[tigertim]

It's not their job to make their story stick. Apparently it's our job to prove conclusively their "conjecture" can't possibly have happened.

Correct. That's why I gave up. How can you prove something that didn't happen didn't happen? Like trying to prove to religious fanatics God doesn't exist.

 

[Disco08]

Starting from an assumption won't help.

I think it's a stretch. Not one whistleblower from the conspirators. They watch over 2500 of their countryman die, watch them jump from burning towers, burn, get crushed and suffer horrific deaths and not one single person involved feels some sort of guilt? Ten years later and they can all still live with it? They are all either crazed patriots or dead I suppose?

Not at all. Many US officials knew about the deceit used to start the Vietnem war. Millions of people lost their lives there yet no one said a word about it for decades. These people can keep secrets.

And If al Qaeda or other anti-american groups were aware that the US had prior knowledge and were actually involved in the attacks you don't think they wouldn't be trumpeting this from the rooftops? OBL/al Qaeda would have relished releasing that bit of propoganda, it would be more damaging to the US than any terrorist attacks could ever cause.

How would OBL know the US had prior knowledge?

Was there some sort of coverup - most likely, getting rid of a lot of the physical evidence indicates that but I think the truthers fail to acknowledge the number of unlikely assumptions they need to make to have some sort of conspiracy story stick.

No assumptions are necessary at all. Just have a proper inquiry and accept the findings. Trusters are the ones making all the assumptions given most don't even accept the possibility of US complicity.

That said though I don't see any particularly unlikely events needed to complete the prior warning scenario. What are they in your opinion?

It's not their job to make their story stick. Apparently it's our job to prove conclusively their "conjecture" can't possibly have happened.

Your job is to make even a half decent argument for not supporting a proper inquiry. Something no one has done at all on this thread.

You guys are also the ones asserting that the US was definitely not complicit. Surely there's some evidence to support this.

If you claim to know the truth of the matter you need to be able to back that up.

 

[Soda]

Not at all. Many US officials knew about the deceit used to start the Vietnem war. Millions of people lost their lives there yet no one said a word about it for decades. These people can keep secrets.]

Are you insuating the same people who started the Vietnam war orchestarted 9/11? So they did find the grail.

 

[tigertim]

The truth:

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf

Nothing in there about flights of fantasy and illogical conspiracies. You may not like what's in there but it's the truth. Any theories one may have need to have proof of otherwise.

Just as one may not like the outcome a jury or court that finds one guilty it is accepted that that person is guilty. The onus is on anyone disagreeing to PROVE otherwise.

 

[Disco08]

No. The onus is on that report (and the methods used to produce it) to hold up to scrutiny. Does it?

If you think that is the truth you're living in an absolute dreamland tim. No flights of fantasy either eh? 19 dudes with stanley knives hijack four commercial airliners despite the fact everyone should have been keeping an eye our for them (their ability to keep their plan a secret was so poor warnings of it were coming from all over the globe) and then avoid the world's most start of the art defenses in the world's most heavily protected airspace without a single sign of resistance.

Are you insuating the same people who started the Vietnam war orchestarted 9/11?

No.

 

[tigertim]

No. The onus is on that report (and the methods used to produce it) to hold up to scrutiny. Does it?

If you think that is the truth you're living in an absolute dreamland tim.

Am I? Yeah, I guess the "reality" world you live in is a much more fun place. Anyway the "dreamland" I'm living in is the truth, you just can't accept it. Too clever for the mere mortals.

 

[Disco08]

No it's not. The truth is the 9/11 commission was a complete scam. Even trusters mostly recognise this. If you think it's the truth you have absolutely no idea.

I don't think I'm too clever for anyone either. I don't know what happened. You're the one making all the assertions here.

 

[tigertim]

No it's not. The truth is the 9/11 commission was a complete scam. Even trusters mostly recognise this. If you think it's the truth you have absolutely no idea.

I don't think I'm too clever for anyone either. I don't know what happened. You're the one making all the assertions here.

Yes, it is! You just can't accept it.

 

[Disco08]

You're right. I can't and neither can most people. Even the people you've been supporting in this thread recognise the 9/11 commission was part of the cover up.

 

[tigertim]

You're right. I can't and neither can most people. Even the people you've been supporting in this thread recognise the 9/11 commission was part of the cover up.

"Most" people can't accept the truth? Really? Please prove to me "most".

 

[Disco08]

You're the only one in this thread for starters.

 

[tigertim]

You're the only one in this thread for starters.

Sorry? "Most" ...please.

 

[Disco08]

Sorry tim. You can figure it out for yourself.

 

[tigertim]

Sorry tim. You can figure it out for yourself.

Sorry, I'm a bit slow. You said "I can't and neither can most people" (accept the truth).

Define "most people" who can't accept the truth.

 

[Disco08]

No. Do it yourself.

 

[tigertim]

No. Do it yourself.

Come on, help a brother out. Don't Disco dance away from your comments.

 

[tigertim]

Starting from an assumption won't help.
You guys are also the ones asserting that the US was definitely not complicit. Surely there's some evidence to support this.

Brilliantly worded question. Again, how can you get evidence of something NOT happening? It's impossible. If something DID happen then there's evidence. You get it.

 

[poppa x]

I levitated last night Disco.
Got 2 metres off the ground.
My partner and her friend published a report on it.
But most people know it's Bullsh*t.

Sorry to disrupt the interesting exchange of fairy dust.

 

[Disco08]

That's a great analogy for the 9/11 commission report pop. Well done.

Brilliantly worded question. Again, how can you get evidence of something NOT happening? It's impossible. If something DID happen then there's evidence. You get it.

What evidence is there that the US did anything to try and stop the hijackers?

Come on, help a brother out. Don't Disco dance away from your comments.

No mate. You do a bit of research on the 9/11 commission and then tell me again it's the truth.

 

[tigersnake]

No it's not. The truth is the 9/11 commission was a complete scam. Even trusters mostly recognise this. If you think it's the truth you have absolutely no idea.

Trusters, FFS. Yeah we all trust the US government, sing the star spangled banner of a morning.

Here you go again with your extreme language that makes a mockery of your argument. 'complete scam'. It cannot be argued it was a 'complete scam'. You can argue there were shortcoming, no worries. You can even argue there were severe shortcoming, I'll argue with you that but its a legit position to take. It wasn't a complete scam. The relentless extreme language does my head in. I tried to point out that its counterproductive, both substantively and stylistically, but nope. Nothin.

Is your mission to annoy or convince?, you're doing well at the former.