911 Truth Movement

[Disco08]

Ay least it's been educational. Some of the things I've seen and read at truly amazing. It's a shame you guys don't seem to want to look at much of it.

I always thought there was a decent case for complicity because of the ignored warnings. That has never and will never make any sense especially given Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice all deny their existence. After learning some of these facts like PNAC, the absolute joke that was the 9/11 commission and the Northwoods/Tonkin stuff it all makes a lot more sense.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

Ay least it's been educational. Some of the things I've seen and read at truly amazing. It's a shame you guys don't seem to want to look at much of it.

I always thought there was a decent case for complicity because of the ignored warnings. That has never and will never make any sense especially given Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice all deny their existence. After learning some of these facts like PNAC, the absolute joke that was the 9/11 commission and the Northwoods/Tonkin stuff it all makes a lot more sense.

As usual I think this is unfair. I may not have looked at all of it, but have certainly watched and read a fair proportion of it. I also feel some of what you allege is amazing. Or at least that the inferences you draw between events isn't as obvious and substantial as you seem to think. I've read and watched and engaged my intellect such that it is but I don't see the case as you do. That doesn't IMO make me a stooge.

 

[Baloo]

That's been annoying. Read and watched quite a bit but because we didn't come to the same conclusion as the crack pots, we're closed minded.

 

[Disco08]

It's more because you are so determined to not even admit the possibility Baloo.

Knighter, I accept your POV but when you said you saw nothing of merit in the AE doco I knew we were no chance of ever agreeing. That stuff may not prove anything but it has merit. They're experts offering expert opinion because the NIST reports are so obviously inadequate.

 

[Baloo]

It's more because you are so determined to not even admit the possibility Baloo.

Knighter, I accept your POV but when you said you saw nothing of merit in the AE doco I knew we were no chance of ever agreeing. That stuff may not prove anything but it has merit. They're experts offering expert opinion because the NIST reports are so obviously inadequate.

In your opinion. If I had no intention of being open minded I wouldn't have spent the time I did watching and reading.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

It's more because you are so determined to not even admit the possibility Baloo.

Knighter, I accept your POV but when you said you saw nothing of merit in the AE doco I knew we were no chance of ever agreeing. That stuff may not prove anything but it has merit. They're experts offering expert opinion because the NIST reports are so obviously inadequate.

I know Disco, but there are experts who hold different views. I don't discount them completely I just don't think they hold the only views possible. And I can't help but be cynical about any website with 911 in the URL. I am cynic and a sceptic. I have conceded multiple times that the OR isn't definitive either but as the evidence is gone I can't see how it can be improved upon. That is quite separate IMO from conspiracy theories involving insurance scams, clandestine explosive rigging, martial law, Northwoods etc. and I can't help but feel that linking them dilutes your argument.

 

[evo]

Just reading more conspiracy sites it occurred to me that whilst the theorists smirk and laugh at "sheeple" for foolishly beleiving the official response perpetuated by the media they fail to realise that they themselves are blindly beleiving every wild conspiracy put forth by the conspiracy websites!

:fing32

 

[evo]

You have no idea what most of the 3000 victims families want. Using them to give your views weight is dishonest and morally bankrupt. The one family I know (shame it isn't two then I could say "many") are sick to death of the conspiracy crackpots and just want to be left alone without being reminded of what happened over and over again.

Defend your position without using what's right for the families of the victims.

I wouldn;t go so far as to accuse him of being morally bankrupt but there is little doubt that appeals to ethical superiorty in debate are nearly always a sign that they are struggling.

 

[evo]

I'm not appealing to emotion at all. You don't think the victims deserve better than the 9/11 commission?.

Now you're just taking the pi##. You say you're not appealing to emotions then appeal to emotion in the very next sentence.

 

[tigersnake]

What's a head scratcher?

I'm not trying to wrangle my way out of anything. I'll stand by anything I've sad here.

I also think it's p!ssweak of you to say that's how I roll. I answer every question anyone asks me here honestly. Just because you don't like my answers or what I have to say don't invent sh!t that's simply not true.

Sorry you feel that way, but its been a while now and thats the pattern I see in your responses. The way I see it, your perception is out of whack, but thats only the way I see it. You position yourself as taking a 'scientific approach' but from where I sit its anything but ('second law of thermodynamics'), you take the high moral ground ('families deserve better...') when your opponents don't but easily could argue it, and as I said in the post this is responding to, you get pinned down on something, then you change the subject or go on a strange tangent or ask a strange question ('you're the one saying it was a big conspiracy to blow up the towers').

Its like trying to herd cats.

(I was paraphrasing on those quotes from memory BTW)

As someone posted earlier, peer review. You replied that its all too complicated for peer review or something, but it isn't. If someone was able to argue, prove and publish in a peer reviewed journal, a historical or political journal, any one of the many individual 'facts' the truthers bandy about, for example, 'plane had no windows', 'mass spectrometer detects explosives in removed dirt', etc etc. any single tiny 'fact', they would be world famous. Speaking curcuit, new stories everywhere. Hasn't happened, won't happen.

 

[bullus_hit]

That's been annoying. Read and watched quite a bit but because we didn't come to the same conclusion as the crack pots, we're closed minded.

Crack & pot is so yetserday Baloo, you need to try some Charlie Sheen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8InGHP0fCE

 

[Baloo]

Crack & pot is so yetserday Baloo, you need to try some Charlie Sheen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8InGHP0fCE

Man, that's beautiful.

 

[Harry]

As someone posted earlier, peer review. You replied that its all too complicated for peer review or something, but it isn't. If someone was able to argue, prove and publish in a peer reviewed journal, a historical or political journal,

was the theory that fire brought down wtc 7 proven and argued through peer review journal or something similar ?

you guys accept it as fact because it was in the OR. actually it wasn't, but NIST came out with this finding later.

believe what you will guys.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

was the theory that fire brought down wtc 7 proven and argued through peer review journal or something similar ?

you guys accept it as fact because it was in the OR. actually it wasn't, but NIST came out with this finding later.

believe what you will guys.

But....but....but.....it was on fire. And....and.....and it was hit by the other two towers as they fell down. And then it did fall down. None of these things are in question. It is not evident that there was any demolition, so that would require some proof wouldn't it?

 

[Freezer]

But....but....but.....it was on fire. And....and.....and it was hit by the other two towers as they fell down. And then it did fall down. None of these things are in question. It is not evident that there was any demolition, so that would require some proof wouldn't it?

Which a proper investigation would help, surely.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

Which a proper investigation would help, surely.

But why? The internets is a big place. Why not just ask them, the internets, who the bomb techs were, won't they answer?

 

[Harry]

But....but....but.....it was on fire. And....and.....and it was hit by the other two towers as they fell down. And then it did fall down. None of these things are in question. It is not evident that there was any demolition, so that would require some proof wouldn't it?

you didn't answer the question.

 

[Al Bundy]

Saw a movie once, forget which one but at the end of the movie as a little fact was brought up on the screen. It basically implied that sometimes what we see is not what actually is happening as they say. Since the 9/11 attacks and the invasion of Iraq, a stat has emergered of drug trafficking into the USA. I beleive before this conflict of 2001 7% of drugs were being brought in from Iraq. Since the attacks its now up to 60%. Havent been able to find links of facts yet or the movie but is anyone else aware of this. .

 

[KnightersRevenge]

you didn't answer the question.

There are 103 pages of answers. There's a report too, and those who oppose its findings have had ample time release a report of their own arguing their case. So far they've chosen instead to self-publish self-referential websites in a masterpiece of circular engineering. I'm done answering questions, the answers are in these pages. A final summary; A building that was hit with the falling debris at full gravitational acceleration from two 110 storey towers and suffered the requisite damage and the induced fires from this maelstrom that was then left to burn and continue to degrade over the next 7 hours finally gave way.

If you think buildings should be able to cope with insults they suffered that day then don't complain when commercial leases skyrocket as titanium frames and carbon nanotubes are made compulsory in the building codes.

 

[bullus_hit]

Saw a movie once, forget which one but at the end of the movie as a little fact was brought up on the screen. It basically implied that sometimes what we see is not what actually is happening as they say. Since the 9/11 attacks and the invasion of Iraq, a stat has emergered of drug tra into the USA. I beleive before this conflict of 2001 7% of drugs were being brought in from Iraq. Since the attacks its now up to 60%. Havent been able to find links of facts yet or the movie but is anyone else aware of this. .

You sure about Iraq being the drug trafficking hub? I think you'll find it's Afghanistan and it's all centering around the opium trade. In fact, the only way I see it possible to snuff out the Taliban is to stop local farmers producing opium, some estimates have the trade worth half a billion dollars. Money like that can buy an awful lot of AK47's and landmines.