911 Truth Movement

[Disco08]

Strange hey?

 

[tigertim]

Just highlighting the fact that the towers had never been insured for terrorism prior, the policy which was signed three weeks beforehand made all the difference to the awarding of compensation. If I'm wrong then I'm happy to stand corrected.

As for Marvin Bush , just double checked and you are right about the 2000 date, don't know a thing about Wirt (sad name). As to whether he had connections to Securacom's work leading up to September 11, I wouldn't know because there's been an official no comment coming out of the Whitehouse. But in terms of the Port Authority being responsible, they were the leaseholders so they would be the ones to contract the work out. They awarded a contract to Securacom who wired the building and performed maintainance.

Ultimately, the blackouts, the absence of sniffer dogs and the shutting down of security systems could just be a red herring. I don't know but I'm curious to know how long it would take to wire up a building of that size.

Just musing to myself there Timbo, you guys seem to be working yourself into frenzy over each and every comment. It makes being a conspiracy theorist kind of fun. :hihi

Fair point, it has been suggested the theorists are just winding the realists up!

Of course it isn't helped when the theorists keep throwing out myths then back away from them when they're debunked

 

[KnightersRevenge]

What honestly baffles me is why all you guys are so dead set against a proper investigation. All it costs is money. To spend 10 times the amount spent on the 9/11 commission you only need 0.01% of the $2.3tr the US DoD knows it's spent over the last decade but can't account for. Are you all so convinced that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice are good people that have no responsibility at all for what happened that you want to lend them your support?

Pretty much everyone down to a man, or woman, has said Bush is a spud and Cheney is a crook, where's the support?

 

[Disco08]

So 3000 people are dead, Cheney is a crook and the original inquiry was a sham but you don't support a proper enquiry? Help me understand here.

 

[Disco08]

Fair point, it has been suggested the theorists are just winding the realists up!

Of course it isn't helped when the theorists keep throwing out myths then back away from them when they're debunked

You mean your "debunking" of the Jeb flight records thing?

 

[jb03]

What honestly baffles me is why all you guys are so dead set against a proper investigation. All it costs is money. To spend 10 times the amount spent on the 9/11 commission you only need 0.01% of the $2.3tr the US DoD knows it's spent over the last decade but can't account for. Are you all so convinced that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice are good people that have no responsibility at all for what happened that you want to lend them your support?

A new full investigation would be a complete waste of money and impossible to define an agenda that appease everybody. The crackpots as H calls them would still find fault, especially if the original findings were endorsed. And if you found some elaborate conspiracy what would you do with the 1000's involved who are guilty of who knows what, some only for being exceptional to keep a secret?

We know the government are shonky and crooks but really, big deal - so is every goverment in the world.

You and bullus have to be winding us up with talk of demolition squads waiting in the wings and the like.

Pretty much everyone down to a man, or woman, has said Bush is a spud and Cheney is a crook, where's the support?

Agree, don't need an investigation to tell us that.

 

[tigertim]

I read that thE old crafty Jew Silverstains insurance payout was $4.5b for the 5 towers. He also owed port authority $130m from that.

Silverstein only got awarded the lease to the towers in July 2001 so no wonder he got insurance so close to September 11!

It's amazing way you learn when you research stuff.

 

[tigertim]

You mean your "debunking" of the Jeb flight records thing?

Yep...among others.

 

[Disco08]

A new full investigation would be a complete waste of money and impossible to define an agenda that appease everybody.

As long as the agenda was to start with an independent assesment of the government's actions and inactions that contributed greatly to the outcome you'd appease the people that matter.

Yep...among others.

LOL.

 

[Disco08]

I read that thE old crafty Jew Silverstains insurance payout was $4.5b for the 5 towers. He also owed port authority $130m from that.

Silverstein only got awarded the lease to the towers in July 2001 so no wonder he got insurance so close to September 11!

It's amazing way you learn when you research stuff.

Here's the analysis from a page you linked to way back. Let me now what you think.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/silverstein.html

 

[tigertim]

Here's the analysis from a page you linked to way back. Let me now what you think.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/silverstein.html

I think That was from before the insurance payouts were decided. I don't get your point.

 

[Baloo]

What honestly baffles me is why all you guys are so dead set against a proper investigation. All it costs is money. To spend 10 times the amount spent on the 9/11 commission you only need 0.01% of the $2.3tr the US DoD knows it's spent over the last decade but can't account for. Are you all so convinced that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice are good people that have no responsibility at all for what happened that you want to lend them your support?

Who is dead set against a proper investigation. I don't remember anyone, let alone all, saying that. You're inventing facts again. Or was that just a throw away line ?

Who is is convinced Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice are good guys. I don't remember anyone, let alone all, saying that. You're inventing facts again. Or was that just a throw away line ?

Who is lending them support ? I don't remember anyone, let alone all, saying that. You're inventing facts again. Or was that just a throw away line ?

Much like the crack pot websites, you're looking at a fact and extrapolating into something that it's not. A conspiracy.

Fact: Most don't see the point of another investigation because the evidence is no longer available and you're not going to get Bush, Cheney et al admitting anything more.

Fiction: What honestly baffles me is why all you guys are so dead set against a proper investigation. All it costs is money. To spend 10 times the amount spent on the 9/11 commission you only need 0.01% of the $2.3tr the US DoD knows it's spent over the last decade but can't account for. Are you all so convinced that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice are good people that have no responsibility at all for what happened that you want to lend them your support?

Fact: To have another investigation that results in nothing new but more spittle from crack pot websites will just cause more grief to families of the 3000 who have accepted what happened, come to terms with their grief and see no reason to reopen very painful wounds. There might be some who believe in the conspiracy, and I don't blame them, losing a close family member will keep you wanting to blame someone, anyone, everyone. But there are many that just don't want to go through it all again. Don't believe me ? Let me know and I'll give you the contact details of a mate, well, more an acquaintance, who I worked with who lost his brother in 911. The last thing he wants is to see his parents have to go through that pain again.

Fiction: 3000 people died. For a start their friends and families deserve a proper inquiry into how their government failed to notice the flood of specific warnings given to them from other countries. They haven't ever been given that and that's wrong.

Crack pot.

 

[Disco08]

I think That was from before the insurance payouts were decided. I don't get your point.

The payout info is right at the bottom. The point though is why would Larry even want the lease when the building was clearly unprofitable, needing massive repairs, asbestos ridden and the prevous controller had wanted to demolish it for years?

 

[KnightersRevenge]

pfffftt. In the end the troofers have to take ownership of what they're implying.

As I've said a number of times in this thread what is the point of this "questioning of the facts" unless you honestly believe the buildings were bought down by controlled demolition and various other conspiracies.

What is the point of 2 hour investigations of thermite, anti gravity 'balls', sizes of holes in the Pentagon, lack of plane debris, allegations of insider trading,measuring free fall speed to the nth degree....... and on and on it goes.

FFS at least take responsibility for what you beoieve about this event instead of hiding behind " oh we just want to find the truth" it is soft as in my view..

This.

 

[AngryAnt]

The timelines don't make sense Disco. He bought in June 2001 and then went back in time to organise the conspiracy I suppose.

 

[tigertim]

The payout info is right at the bottom. The point though is why would Larry even want the lease when the building was clearly unprofitable, needing massive repairs, asbestos ridden and the prevous controller had wanted to demolish it for years?

To blow it up and make money out of it?

He turned it around didnt he? The talk of high vacancy was from 1988. I'm not aware of anyone wanting to demolish it, I'll try and find it. Silversteins are in the real estate game so I can understand thm wanting the 99 year lease. It's way they do.

 

[Disco08]

Who is dead set against a proper investigation. I don't remember anyone, let alone all, saying that. You're inventing facts again. Or was that just a throw away line ?

Who is is convinced Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice are good guys. I don't remember anyone, let alone all, saying that. You're inventing facts again. Or was that just a throw away line ?

Who is lending them support ? I don't remember anyone, let alone all, saying that. You're inventing facts again. Or was that just a throw away line ?

I was only asking because I couldn't figure out why some of you don't support a proper investigation. That's what a question generally indicates isn't it?

I did say you were against a proper investigation but going on the rest of your post I can't see how that's incorrect.

Fact: Most don't see the point of another investigation because the evidence is no longer available and you're not going to get Bush, Cheney et al admitting anything more.

Fiction: What honestly baffles me is why all you guys are so dead set against a proper investigation. All it costs is money. To spend 10 times the amount spent on the 9/11 commission you only need 0.01% of the $2.3tr the US DoD knows it's spent over the last decade but can't account for. Are you all so convinced that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice are good people that have no responsibility at all for what happened that you want to lend them your support?

What evidence is no longer available?

Most commissions carry penalties for those who refuse to cooperate. Make Bush and Cheney testify on the record and under oath with a lie detector present. Make Rice answer every question she's asked. If they don't they face the consequences. Interview their staff and review their document trail. Where there's evidence of destruction of evidence ask why. Doesn't sound that hard to me.

Fact: To have another investigation that results in nothing new but more spittle from crack pot websites will just cause more grief to families of the 3000 who have accepted what happened, come to terms with their grief and see no reason to reopen very painful wounds. There might be some who believe in the conspiracy, and I don't blame them, losing a close family member will keep you wanting to blame someone, anyone, everyone. But there are many that just don't want to go through it all again. Don't believe me ? Let me know and I'll give you the contact details of a mate, well, more an acquaintance, who I worked with who lost his brother in 911. The last thing he wants is to see his parents have to go through that pain again.

Fiction: 3000 people died. For a start their friends and families deserve a proper inquiry into how their government failed to notice the flood of specific warnings given to them from other countries. They haven't ever been given that and that's wrong.

A proper independent inquiry will result in a lot more than "more spittle from crack pot websites". That's a terribly callous thing to say when so many victims feel aggrieved by the 9/11 commission.

My point had nothing to do with conspiracy. The US govrnment had plenty of chances to prevent these events from occuring. Their incompetence is widely recognised. The 9/11 commission didn't address this at all and that's wrong.

I'm sure many victims never want to hear of 9/11 again. I don't have a solution to that but I don't see it as a reason that other victims should be silent.

 

[Disco08]

The timelines don't make sense Disco. He bought in June 2001 and then went back in time to organise the conspiracy I suppose.

Why would he need to go back in time?

 

[Disco08]

To blow it up and make money out of it?

He turned it around didnt he? The talk of high vacancy was from 1988. I'm not aware of anyone wanting to demolish it, I'll try and find it. Silversteins are in the real estate game so I can understand thm wanting the 99 year lease. It's way they do.

It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an aging dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due the known asbestos problem. Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to disassemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishing the buildings.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/silverstein.html

 

[Freezer]

That asbestos is going to come back to haunt a few people in the future. Mainly from a health point of view obviously, but no doubt there'll be plenty of claimants looking for some sort of recompense.