911 Truth Movement

[KnightersRevenge]

[youtube=560,315]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys41jnL2Elk[/youtube]

I hadn't seen that before.

 

[Tigers of Old]

:hihi Don't remember it live that's for sure.

Still remember as clear as day, being glued to the box as the gorgeous Sandra Sully explained that they believed a light plane had flown into the 1st tower but were waiting for more details to come to hand.

 

[TigerForce]

:hihi Don't remember it live that's for sure.

Still remember as clear as day, being glued to the box as the gorgeous Sandra Sully explained that they believed a light plane had flown into the 1st tower but were waiting for more details to come to hand.

Still sickens me to the bone watching this. I was listening to Carlton's Club Corner on Sport927 as we were about to meet them in the SF, and hearing Andrew Kuuse interrupting and mentioning "a plane has hit a building in NY". I thought it was 'just another crash' until the events became worse and worse......didn't get any sleep that night.

 

[Harry]

Thanks for missing the point

they're all tied in together. WMD's was the pretext but 911 was the conditioning event. This scared the *smile* out of the people and they accepted anything the govt threw up in the name of homeland security. "we need to bomb Iraq because they have WMD's and there could be another 911". how convenient. problem, reaction, solution. need people to think their security is threatened then you can do whatever you like, even if the pretext is exposed as a lie. "Oh our intelligence was wrong" All is forgiven because you were protecting us in the name of homeland security.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

:hihi Don't remember it live that's for sure.

Still remember as clear as day, being glued to the box as the gorgeous Sandra Sully explained that they believed a light plane had flown into the 1st tower but were waiting for more details to come to hand.

I was sitting up watching a movie I think. Saw the first report maybe on 9 then watched on ABC. Called my brother and woke him up and told him to turn on the telly. Spent the rest of the night on the phone with my brothers and sisters and flicking between channels.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

they're all tied in together. WMD's was the pretext but 911 was the conditioning event. This scared the sh!te out of the people and they accepted anything the govt threw up in the name of homeland security. "we need to bomb Iraq because they have WMD's and there could be another 911". how convenient. problem, reaction, solution. need people to think their security is threatened then you can do whatever you like, even if the pretext is exposed as a lie. "Oh our intelligence was wrong" All is forgiven because you were protecting us in the name of homeland security.

Much like Disco's posts I don't disagree with much of this, I just don't buy the bit where there is a government conspiracy that created 911. That they took advantage of it legalise torture and rendition and the many atrocities perpetrated in the name of "national security" and "defending democracy" is a very real possibility.

 

[Harry]

I remember waiting for talking footy to start and the guest was nick holland when the breaking news came on.

 

[Tigers of Old]

they're all tied in together. WMD's was the pretext but 911 was the conditioning event. This scared the sh!te out of the people and they accepted anything the govt threw up in the name of homeland security. "we need to bomb Iraq because they have WMD's and there could be another 911". how convenient. problem, reaction, solution. need people to think their security is threatened then you can do whatever you like, even if the pretext is exposed as a lie. "Oh our intelligence was wrong" All is forgiven because you were protecting us in the name of homeland security.

Once again.. Harry do you think all the people who witnessed a plane fly into the Pentagon and the firefighters who thought the building 7 would possibly fall down are liars or FBI plants?

 

[TigerForce]

Much like Disco's posts I don't disagree with much of this, I just don't buy the bit where there is a government conspiracy that created 911. That they took advantage of it legalise torture and rendition and the many atrocities perpetrated in the name of "national security" and "defending democracy" is a very real possibility.

What are your thoughts on the continuous procrastination of the Khalid Sheik Mohammed trial KR?

Timothy McVeigh was killed instantly after the 1995 bombing, but this..........

 

[KnightersRevenge]

What are your thoughts on the continuous procrastination of the Khalid Sheik Mohammed trial KR?

Timothy McVeigh was killed instantly after the 1995 bombing, but this..........

I haven't done much reading on him TF. Let me get back to you.

 

[Harry]

Much like Disco's posts I don't disagree with much of this, I just don't buy the bit where there is a government conspiracy that created 911. That they took advantage of it legalise torture and rendition and the many atrocities perpetrated in the name of "national security" and "defending democracy" is a very real possibility.

so your'e kinda admitting that there was a motive, or an opportunity from 911. and it's been shown that they deliberately lied as a pretext to war. yet you find it hard to fathom they would be involved in the events of 911 based on "evidence" they produced and investigated themselves? they have form in deceiving to achieve their goals and you question why people suspect the govt was involved, or at least had some prior knowledge and let it happen?

 

[evo]

The US government does not need to invent a crackpot conspiracy that involves killing thousands of their own citizens. They'll make sh!t up and invade Iraq anyway.

I think sometimes people forget how many wars, 'police actions', invasions and conflagrations the U.S have been involved in the last century. It *smile* massive.

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html

 

[KnightersRevenge]

so your'e kinda admitting that there was a motive, or an opportunity from 911. and it's been shown that they deliberately lied as a pretext to war. yet you find it hard to fathom they would be involved in the events of 911 based on "evidence" they produced and investigated themselves? they have form in deceiving to achieve their goals and you question why people suspect the govt was involved, or at least had some prior knowledge and let it happen?

Not even nearly dude.

 

[Harry]

Once again.. Harry do you think all the people who witnessed a plane fly into the Pentagon and the firefighters who thought the building 7 would possibly fall down are liars or FBI plants?

no. there could well have been a plane at the pentagon and I'm starting to open up to that possibility based on some more research. I'm probably at a similar point to Disco in that it is very questionable that a first time pilot could have flown the plane the way it was reported. in terms of the firefighters - I'm open to the idea they thought it would possibly fall. could be that in a time of panic and seeing building 1 and 2 fall they feared it could happen at 7. could be that communication came through that it could fall (Larry and BBC had prior knowledge - this could have filtered down). never said that firefighters were on the payroll.

 

[Tigers of Old]

no. there could well have been a plane at the pentagon and I'm starting to open up to that possibility based on some more research. I'm probably at a similar point to Disco in that it is very questionable that a first time pilot could have flown the plane the way it was reported. in terms of the firefighters - I'm open to the idea they thought it would possibly fall. could be that in a time of panic and seeing building 1 and 2 fall they feared it could happen at 7. could be that communication came through that it could fall (Larry and BBC had prior knowledge - this could have filtered down). never said that firefighters were on the payroll.

So if firefighters consider it plausible that B7 fell, then I assume you think it may be possible too?

Harry when probed there's just as many questions about the conspiracy theories as there are about the official reports, if not more so!
Seems the goal posts keep shifting.

 

[Harry]

So if firefighters consider it plausible that B7 fell, then I assume you think it may be possible too?

Harry when probed there's just as many questions about the conspiracy theories as there are about the official reports, if not more so!
Seems the goal posts keep shifting.

correct. too many questions to be convinced 100% one way or another. the only way is through a proper investigation.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Would that really answer all your questions or just lead to more?

 

[evo]

The US government does not need to invent a crackpot conspiracy that involves killing thousands of their own citizens. They'll make sh!t up and invade Iraq anyway.

I think sometimes people forget how many wars, 'police actions', invasions and conflagrations the U.S have been involved in the last century. The list is huge.

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html

 

[Rosy]

There's some pretty out of character, unbalanced and bizarre posting on here. It makes me wonder what an independent enquiry would be like when there are so many conflicting reports people choose to side with to support their theory. Some would probably welcome the results but others would probably still cry conspiracy and cover up. Can't see it there ever being definitive, factual, united conclusion. I just hope that, behind the scenes, the powers to be have enough answers to ensure a tragedy like this never happens again.

 

[tigertim]

no. there could well have been a plane at the pentagon and I'm starting to open up to that possibility based on some more research. I'm probably at a similar point to Disco in that it is very questionable that a first time pilot could have flown the plane the way it was reported. in terms of the firefighters - I'm open to the idea they thought it would possibly fall. could be that in a time of panic and seeing building 1 and 2 fall they feared it could happen at 7. could be that communication came through that it could fall (Larry and BBC had prior knowledge - this could have filtered down). never said that firefighters were on the payroll.

I love the way "Larry and the BBC had prior knowledge" has now become fact.