911 Truth Movement

[Baloo]

I can and do.

I thought that might be the case

With the large number of forewarnings from other countries none of those decisions should ever have been made. Even if they were discussed previously they should have been rethought with the increased threat of airline hijacking based terrorist attacks. That's as suspiciuos as you can get, especially when viewed in context with his actions on the day, his refusal to cooperate with the commission and the destruction/suppression of crucial evidence.

Where you see complicity and conspricay, I see incompetence. Change 1 word in that paragraph of yours and I could agree with it, like so:

With the large number of forewarnings from other countries none of those decisions should ever have been made. Even if they were discussed previously they should have been rethought with the increased threat of airline hijacking based terrorist attacks. That's as suspicous incompetent as you can get, especially when viewed in context with his actions on the day, his refusal to cooperate with the commission and the destruction/suppression of crucial evidence.

 

[Disco08]

If you think incompetence is a sufficient explanation of those facts good on you. I think its completely inadequately unless properly investigated and reasonably proven.

I thought that might be the case

Just as I knew you'd dismiss this evidence because it points to foreknowledge and I knew a smart arsed remark like this would be just around the corner. We're as predictable as eachother it seems.

 

[Baloo]

Just as I knew you'd dismiss this evidence because it points to foreknowledge and I knew a smart arsed remark like this would be just around the corner. We're as predictable as eachother it seems.

What 'evidence' ? It's a bunch of facts that on the surface can't be used as evidence for anything. It's not evidence of foreknowledge as it's not evidence of incompetence. Without delving into the whys, hows and what fors it's pretty useless on its own.

 

[Rosy]

I've never watched Loose Change. My point was if they were trying to decieve anyone about Jennings' testimony they wouldn't then put the full intervew into the public domain.

The multiple explsions he attributes to cars ans buses exploding happen while he is trapped. The one he says happened as he and Hess were on the stairs he says happened directly below him.

The quotes about dead bodies are here. Seems to me easy enough to mistake his meaning. You also seem to be making judgments that would be better made after you'd seen the footage in its entirity.

And my point is Jennings clearly said he didn't see dead bodies and that he didn't appreciate being portrayed as though he did. Might well be easy enough to "mistake his meaning" but after he'd clarified it Avery was still sticking to his version.

Watch what footage in it's entirety? If you mean Loose Change I won't ever watch it in it's entirety. I've seen and read enough to form my opinion they have a conspiracy agenda. If you mean the Jennings clip I have and I don't understand your judgement about me watching it.

 

[Disco08]

What 'evidence' ? It's a bunch of facts that on the surface can't be used as evidence for anything. It's not evidence of foreknowledge as it's not evidence of incompetence. Without delving into the whys, hows and what fors it's pretty useless on its own.

If those facts aren't evidence of incompetence, what is?

You're right. Quite useless on their own. A proper interrogation of those responsible though.....

And my point is Jennings clearly said he didn't see dead bodies and that he didn't appreciate being portrayed as though he did. Might well be easy enough to "mistake his meaning" but after he'd clarified it Avery was still sticking to his version.

Watch what footage in it's entirety? If you mean Loose Change I won't ever watch it in it's entirety. I've seen and read enough to form my opinion they have a conspiracy agenda. If you mean the Jennings clip I have and I don't understand your judgement about me watching it.

This all seems rather like pointless semantics to me. I've said why I think Jennings and Hess' testmony is relevent and compelling.

 

[Rosy]

This all seems rather like pointless semantics to me. I've said why I think Jennings and Hess' testmony is relevent and compelling.

You've raised the dead bodies claim yourself then retracted when disputed, similar with other claims. It's obvious that people are willing to believe whatever suits their purpose. If the dead bodies could be used for an agenda so could many other claims.

There is a lot about Jennings comments that doesn't necessarily add up. Understandable in a terrifying and chaotic situation.

I'd still like to know what you were referring to with your judgement of me seeing something in it's entirety and how you came to that conclusion.

 

[Disco08]

You asked me what Jennings had sad about dead bodies. Why would I think you'd seen it all if you had to ask that?

Jennings says he was stepping over people. It's a far assumption to assume he wass talking about dead people. When it was made clear he wasn't which I wasn't aware of I retracted it. What more do you want?

What else about Jennings' interview doesn't add up IYO?

 

[Rosy]

You asked me what Jennings had sad about dead bodies. Why would I think you'd seen it all if you had to ask that?

Indeed I did ask that. I'd watched a clip his comments and didn't hear what you claimed. I still don't know.

You said he mentioned dead bodies...thus my question. What did he say about dead bodies then later correct as you claim? You said he's a reliable witness. He had every chance to elaborate on dead bodies if he saw them,yet he clearly said he didn't. You can assume he saw them. I also think he's a genuine witness but I'd prefer to go by his word rather on the subject than some interpretation.

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The dead bodies reference is something Jennings said and later corrected. It's unfair to say there was anything dishonest about the way that was reported in most cases.
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[Disco08]

You don't think where he mentions being told not to look down and that he had to step over people is a reference to dead bodies? You couldn't make that connection?

 

[Rosy]

You don't think where he mentions being told not to look down and that's he had to step over people is a reference to dead bodies? You couldn't make that connection?

Of course you could if it suited your agenda. I think it was deliberately portrayed to dispel claims there were no deaths. The "connection" I make is that he had his chance to explain that there were indeed dead bodies, or he at least believed there were, when he was discussing having the interview pulled over the dead bodies claim but he didn't do so.

 

[Disco08]

No, I mean you couldn't make the connection between the section of the intervew where he mentioned steppng over people and beng told not to look down and my reference to them as the dead body quotes, even after I linked to that section of his interview to try and explain it?

 

[KnightersRevenge]

No, I mean you couldn't make the connection between the section of the intervew where he mentioned steppng over people and beng told not to look down and my reference to them as the dead body quotes, even after I linked to that section of his interview to try and explain it?

I'm starting to agree with Baloo that this is actually a wind up. You've spent pages talking complete nonsense about dead bodies. You're star witness says quite clearly that he didn't "see" any dead bodies so there is absolutely no way they can be discussed based on his interview.

 

[Rosy]

No, I mean you couldn't make the connection between the section of the intervew where he mentioned steppng over people and beng told not to look down and my reference to them as the dead body quotes, even after I linked to that section of his interview to try and explain it?

I don't know about your reference and links Disco. Doesn't matter. Fact is the Loose Change people were very aware of Jennings' explanation and still refused to admit they might have misinterpreted him as he claimed. It was a conscious choice on their behalf. To me it typifies the conspiracy theorists lack of balance and integrity that some people lap up. To me it's a perfect example on what you originally questioned me about. I haven't seen one single thing on this thread to even slightly convince me the USA Govt masterminded and carried out these atrocities.In fact, to be honest, it's made me feel more likely they didn't.

 

[tigertim]

Loose Change was produced by theorists one of them being Alex Jones.

If you want to see a totally unbalanced, bad tempered, erratic, irrational, paranoid, one sided nut bag then check him out.

He,s quite funny.

 

[Disco08]

I don't know about your reference and links Disco. Doesn't matter. Fact is the Loose Change people were very aware of Jennings' explanation and still refused to admit they might have misinterpreted him as he claimed. It was a conscious choice on their behalf. To me it typifies the conspiracy theorists lack of balance and integrity that some people lap up. To me it's a perfect example on what you originally questioned me about. I haven't seen one single thing on this thread to even slightly convince me the USA Govt masterminded and carried out these atrocities.In fact, to be honest, it's made me feel more likely they didn't.

What did I originally question you about?

If you can read this entire thread and not admit there's not even a possibility some people within the US adminstration had foreknowledge of the 9/11 plot you obviously have your mind made up. Many experts question the OR. Do you think they're all afflicted by the typical conspiracy theorist's lack of balance and integrity? Would you say I suffer from those problems as well?

I'm starting to agree with Baloo that this is actually a wind up. You've spent pages talking complete nonsense about dead bodies. You're star witness says quite clearly that he didn't "see" any dead bodies so there is absolutely no way they can be discussed based on his interview.

Really, that's the way you see it? "Pages talking complete nonsense about dead bodies."?

Could you possibly quote some of these posts?

 

[tigertim]

What did I originally question you about?

If you can read this entire thread and not admit there's not even a possibility some people within the US adminstration had foreknowledge of the 9/11 plot you obviously have your mind made up. Many experts question the OR. Do you think they're all afflicted by the typical conspiracy theorist's lack of balance and integrity. Would you say suffer from those problems as well?

Really, that's the way you see it? "Pages talking complete nonsense about dead bodies."?

Could you possibly quote some of these posts?

Do you think sections of the US government had specific knowledge of the attacks ie who, when and how? Or general chatter of "terrorists using planes to crash into buildings"?

 

[Disco08]

I thiink there's enough circumstantial evidence to suggest some knew the date and the people involved.

 

[tigertim]

I thiink there's enough circumstantial evidence to suggest some knew the date and the people involved.

Before I ask for the evidence have you already posted it?

 

[Rosy]

Would you say I suffer from those problems as well?

Jeepers Disco if you take offence at me finding the thread entertaining it might be wise for me to give that one a wide berth. :hihi

 

[Scoop]

For me there is just too many things that remain unanswered or at the very least vauge.

For example, the fact that while almost all the passengers on Flight 77 of the were positively identified through DNA and dental records, we are also told that there is no significant remaining plane debris within the Pentagon because the intensity of the inferno after the crash wholly incinerated the aircraft and its component parts.

How?