9/11

[Disco08]

I dispute it to the extent that they would have to have some perceived benefit from the undertaking. How did they benefit from 9/11, remembering that they are killing thousands of US citizens on US soil to achieve this aim?

I thought Zeitgeist explained quite well why it benefits the US to be perpetually at war, although I can't explain it myself properly. I think they also showed similarities between this and the circumstances behind the US joining other wars. Michael Moore's doco also put forward some compelling reasoning IIRC.

Consensus? By experts on a 9/11 conspiracy? Really?

No, I didn't say that. The consensuses I'm referring to are where experts seem to collectively dispute the findings of the US commission report into the facts surrounding the events of 9/11.

Another compelling point is that the US government and FBI, unable to detect these hijackers and stop them flying planes into their most valuable airspace and ultimately buildings killing thousands of people, suddenly knew absolutely everything there was to know about them 2 days later. There was so much information forthcoming that every major newspaper in the western world was jammed with pictures, details, plots, movements, transactions etc. Don't you think that's more than a little curious?

 

[TigerForce]

But by far more, I am extremely angry that the greater beneficiary of all these US adventures has been Cheney Associated Enterprises. The Republican Wheelers & Dealers have made a fortune from these foreign incursions, at the cost of ordinary Americans & others.
Just remember that it was the US that dobbed in the AWB over the Iraq wheat contracts.
And you know who got awarded all of those wheat contracts after?
Yes, Cheney Associated Enterprises.
Yes, the Republican Wheelers & Dealers.

To me, this is Obama's biggest issue for immediate attention.

Cheney and Silverstein seem to be the main culprits in this 9/11 matter.

 

[Panthera tigris FC]

Another compelling point is that the US government and FBI, unable to detect these hijackers and stop them flying planes into their most valuable airspace and ultimately buildings killing thousands of people, suddenly knew absolutely everything there was to know about them 2 days later. There was so much information forthcoming that every major newspaper in the western world was jammed with pictures, details, plots, movements, transactions etc. Don't you think that's more than a little curious?

Working after the fact and with the powerful resources of the FBI and CIA that would have swung into overdrive in the days post-9/11 is very different from trying to predict when and where these events will happen.

 

[Liverpool]

Even before Zeitgeist there was always the argument that the US intelligence knew that there was going to be a sea attack at Pearl Harbour and wanted it to be a trigger point for a war.

Funny you mention that Phantom.

I also remember my Grandpa telling me that the HMAS Sydney that was sunk by the Kormoran, where all Australian sailors were killed....well, no Aussie sailor survived because the theory was that Kormoran met with a Japanese destroyer...and the Japanese made sure all Australians were killed in the water because Japan officially wasn't in the war at this stage.

Not a bad conspiracy theory, eh?

 

[Disco08]

Working after the fact and with the powerful resources of the FBI and CIA that would have swung into overdrive in the days post-9/11 is very different from trying to predict when and where these events will happen.

In most other terrorist cases they struggle to get much information about 2 or 3 terrorists within a month. In this case, the biggest terrorist act in history (so surely extra measures would have been taken to cover tracks), they had everything you could possibly want about 19 people in 2 days.

I guess it's a shame for them that so many of the people they named are now turning up alive.

 

[Redford]

The car below was apparently seen several times outside the WTC in the weeks leading up to 9/11. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with it.

 

[Panthera tigris FC]

You might be onto something there Red.

 

[TigerForce]

Isn't that your convertible?

 

[evo]

I think it's Frawleys

 

[TigerForce]

It's all up to different opinions when it comes to conspiracy theories.

I believe that 9/11 remains an unsolved case after 7 years considering no-one has actually been arrested for it.

As for evo's favourite word 'evidence', well there's a lot of it (for and against).

 

[Panthera tigris FC]

As for evo's favourite word 'evidence', well there's a lot of it (for and against).

For most propositions there is evidence for and against. It is a matter of assessing the evidence and coming to the most likely explanation. These conclusions are then the subject of debate.

 

[pahoffm]

The car below was apparently seen several times outside the WTC in the weeks leading up to 9/11. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with it.

Missed it by THAT much!

 

[TigerForce]

For most propositions there is evidence for and against. It is a matter of assessing the evidence and coming to the most likely explanation. These conclusions are then the subject of debate.

Agree. I'm only interested in cases such as 9/11 and JFK because they are still unexplained.

I don't think that debates will arrive to a final answer or verdict, but as you said, assess whatever evidence is provided and see if a conclusion can be accepted.

Neither 9/11 or JFK has achieved that.

 

[Panthera tigris FC]

Neither 9/11 or JFK has achieved that.

In your opinion .

 

[Tiger74]

It's all up to different opinions when it comes to conspiracy theories.

I believe that 9/11 remains an unsolved case after 7 years considering no-one has actually been arrested for it.

As for evo's favourite word 'evidence', well there's a lot of it (for and against).

Well the main guys they know who were involved are kind of dead now. Funny thing about suicide attacks, you don't get a lot of people capable of talking after the event.

 

[Disco08]

Accept of course when people who supposedly crashed 767's into buildings start turning up alive.

Found this little bit from another doco I watched which I think is interesting:

We are told that the group that planned and carried out the 9/11 attacks were highly trained (possibly by the CIA) experts, with knowledge of how to steal identities and forge fake IDs, yet at the same time we are being told that these men were incapable of correctly filling in US visa applications.

We are also being told that they spent the night before the attack getting drunk in bars, making noise, screaming insults at the "infidels", and doing everything they could to attract attention to themselves. They used the credit cards issued in their stolen names, allowed their driver's licenses with the stolen names to be photocopied, and used public library computers to send emails back and forth using their stolen names signed to unencrypted messages about their plans to steal aircraft and crash them into buildings, then decorated their apartments with absurdly obvious props such as a crop dusting manual to the point where the whole affair reads like a low budget "B" detective movie from the 1930s.

 

[Tiger74]

Accept of course when people who supposedly crashed 767's into buildings start turning up alive.

Found this little bit from another doco I watched which I think is interesting:

We are told that the group that planned and carried out the 9/11 attacks were highly trained (possibly by the CIA) experts, with knowledge of how to steal identities and forge fake IDs, yet at the same time we are being told that these men were incapable of correctly filling in US visa applications.

We are also being told that they spent the night before the attack getting drunk in bars, making noise, screaming insults at the "infidels", and doing everything they could to attract attention to themselves. They used the credit cards issued in their stolen names, allowed their driver's licenses with the stolen names to be photocopied, and used public library computers to send emails back and forth using their stolen names signed to unencrypted messages about their plans to steal aircraft and crash them into buildings, then decorated their apartments with absurdly obvious props such as a crop dusting manual to the point where the whole affair reads like a low budget "B" detective movie from the 1930s.

So "magic" piloted the planes?

 

[Disco08]

Yes '74, it was magic.

 

[Redford]

Good work lads. So what we are basically saying is that David Copperfield was involved in all this as well ?

Makes sense. I never trusted that bloke anyway.

 

[TigerForce]

Well the main guys they know who were involved are kind of dead now. Funny thing about suicide attacks, you don't get a lot of people capable of talking after the event.

Who's 'they' ?

Who confirmed this is a solved case?