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3AW's suggested Tiger delistings
- Thread starter Tenacious
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closer to the truth than you realise.walhalla tiger said:
we need to do what gc17 are doing and start from scratch. target and get the best we can. cook from geelong even balmy as well. pelchen from hawthorn decent development senior coach. and target a recruiting officer with a proven track record. a new weights and conditioning officer a new medical staff. target what we have done poorly and make it better. the trouble is we have done most things poorly.and as such need to overhaul most things.
the claw said:
Three words for you Claw - SALARY CAP MINIMUM!
Big Bear touched on it, and it's something I've seen coming for years if ever the Wallace experiment failed.
If you were to get your way Claw, how the hell would you get even close to meeting the minimum spend WITHOUT over paying the players that were left (remembering they are not guns and may want even more in years to come)
Yeah, it's all too easy to say cull him, cut him, pi$$ him off, but all that has to be looked at in terms of list and payment balance. Only looking at one side of the equation there mate?!
Tenacious said:
Geez add Tuck and Polo to the delistings and theyve done a good job. and that doesnt even account for others covered in question marks like *smile*, White, Edwrads , Gus and Connors.
17 names there the club will be better off without
All this highlights is the pathetic state of the RFC list, Wallets and Mullets legacy is mediocrity and a shocking roster.
Everytime i hear that charletan Wallace on the radio i feel sick, pontificating about the game, how about he have a rea lgood look at the disaster hes left.
Whoever resigned all the duds still under contract needs a good belting.
not hard at all. 92.5 % is all we need to get to. blokes like cotchin deledio even vickery who we are sure will be about in 3 yrs time can have a bit more now but less than they would normally get in yr 3. as the list grows the need for this will decrease.pharace said:
no veterans on the list where only half their salary is included in the tpp. theres several things you can do.
my understanding is we are currently close to the limit when it comes to the tpp. we have 9 or 10 to go this yr not all are highly paid. cousins will need a big pay increase. it also enables us to target a decent uncontracted player that meets urgent needs. where theres a will theres a way.
tpp should not be an excuse for not turning over players.
Quit putting words into people,s mouths.Who said anything about still being our savourBarnzy said:
You just don't get it do you. That is why this club has accepted mediocrity for so long. What exactly is Richo going to do for us next year if he plays on??CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:
Win us a premiership??
Help us develop younger KPP by demanding the ball at every opportunity??
Pay him the salary of about 2-3 youngsters??
Unfortunately Richo is exactly what is wrong with this club. Putting their own wants ahead of the clubs needs. I call him selfish because he knows that if he publicly states he wants another year the support from the media and fans will be to strong for the club to ignore. Why not make it easy for the club for once and tell them he has decided to hang up his boots and give his place to a youngster. Bow out like a player that has the best interests of the RFC at heart. What does he expect to achieve by playing 1 more year?? If we were playing finals next year then i would say YES to another year for Richo. Considering the fact that we are nowhere near a finals appearance for at least another 2 years, giving him 1 more year would be exactly what has been wrong with this club for so long.
So tell me in his absence this year who has stepped up to fill his shoes hmmmmmmmm?Absolutely no one.frawleyudud said:
And then you expect a kid who we draft to fill that void.Please spare me lol
Here,s a tip for you.There are no Wayne Carey,s in this draft.
And of those who we already have on the list.hmmmmmmmmm Vickery[Still years away] and lets see ummmmmmm errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr crikey the cupboard is bare.
How did we look on the weekend with no target up front.At the very least with Richo there our young mids etc have a target until the likes of Vickery and whoever we get in the draft can fill those shoes.
That is why he should go on next year.
CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:So tell me in his absence this year who has stepped up to fill his shoes hmmmmmmmm?Absolutely no one.......It is not about filling his shoes at the moment but about developing players that will eventually be capable of doing so!!
And then you expect a kid who we draft to fill that void.Please spare me lol...How is that kid ever going to develop if Richo is taking his spot in the side?? You are contradicting yourself.
Here,s a tip for you.There are no Wayne Carey,s in this draft. So what is your point?? Do we keep Richo on the list for another 10 years until we find a Wayne Carey?? It is called and recruiting and developing. Geez you are clutching at straws at the moment.
And of those who we already have on the list.hmmmmmmmmm Vickery[Still years away] and lets see ummmmmmm errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr crikey the cupboard is bare. Yeah, lets keep Vickery in the ressies so we can play Richo next year as he doesn't need to be developed. Good one.
How did we look on the weekend with no target up front.At the very least with Richo there our young mids etc have a target until the likes of Vickery and whoever we get in the draft can fill those shoes. As i said previously, your points would be valid if we were pushing for finals next year, but for the next 2-3 years it is all about development. It doesn't matter if we don't have a Richo running around next year winning us games. It is all about developing all our young KPP prospects.
That is why he should go on next year. :
Just get rid of them. I don't care how you do it. McMahon, Schulz, Hughes, Jon, Pettifer, Raines, Simmonds, Brown, Polak, Sylvestor. There is 10 for a start that have no right playing at Richmond next year. None of these players will assist in a rebuild. Not one of them is missed when they don't play in the Seniors.
Hislop, Pattison, King, Richo, Coughlan on the starting axe list for the end of next year.
McMahon Schulz Hughes Raines trade for draft picks 2nd 3rd 4th round doesn't matter. We will be going deep this year anyway.
I really hope the two additions to the recruiting department have a clue.
Hislop, Pattison, King, Richo, Coughlan on the starting axe list for the end of next year.
McMahon Schulz Hughes Raines trade for draft picks 2nd 3rd 4th round doesn't matter. We will be going deep this year anyway.
I really hope the two additions to the recruiting department have a clue.
So you expect a first year player to be plonked up fwd and perform at an AFL level standard straight away.Lmao.
You,d be the first one on here calling the kid a dud.
Here,s a hint for you about development.
You first develop the kids to be able to stand up to the rigors of AFL via the ressies.
You only have to look at Jack Watts and Vickery this year.Both are not ready for AFL footy as most KPP,s arn't in their first few years.
Unless your a Carey,N.Reiwoldt,J.Brown.
You,d be the first one on here calling the kid a dud.
Here,s a hint for you about development.
You first develop the kids to be able to stand up to the rigors of AFL via the ressies.
You only have to look at Jack Watts and Vickery this year.Both are not ready for AFL footy as most KPP,s arn't in their first few years.
Unless your a Carey,N.Reiwoldt,J.Brown.
CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:
That's what I don't understand about those calling for kids to be played virtually due to their age rather than their level of development and performance. I'm a bit concerned about the effect on Ty and would be very happy to see him groomed at Coburg for a bit longer rather than being thrown to the wolves before he's ready.
the claw said:
LMAO - we only have to get 92.5%. Is that all? And you think we are at 100% now. Geez, you'd hope not. But the difference is what$6-700K?
And you are part of the drive that thinks the 3AW list is still not enough to be rid off. There is probaly about 40% of of our salary cap minimum there. The first five are probably pushing $2M - give or take a Vet at 50%
The next part of the list could be be $2M, but you'd hope it was closer to 1.5M
Then some want to add another $500K for Tuck and Polo easily (and some).
So we take nine drafts and rookies then @ an average of about $100K ea? You want to give some guys a pay increase too on top a really crap year? I know some with contracts coming up will look for it - but here's the rub......
If you give it now to meet Salary Cap minimums, where do you go with that same player, let's say a Tambling when we are hitting form as a club in three years time :
and your other players are asking for more now that they are good as well (apparently according to us now playing finals) and Tambling has become the gun player we'd been hoping for and wants the right money ......again. Oh, and suddenly you up for targetting a decent uncontracted player - got an example of one and the $$$ you'd spend?
Credit where credit is due - at least you only want cut 9 in one year. I'd say from a Salary Cap minimum perspective, and without risking exceeding the the Salary Cap 3-4 years down the track, 7 is about as good as you can do - or perhaps 8 like in 2004 if you count a Ben Graham type which we seem really good at doing :
.We would both agree that I'm sure that the folly of RFC was only taking 3 in 2005 - that was the breakdown of the start of a promising re-build programme! Here we go again ;D
Exactly Rosella.I have no problem with Vickery getting a "taste" at AFL level however his performance,s of late clearly shows that he needs to go back to Coburg.rosy23 said:
What some don,t understand is atm we have no one to replace Richo.
