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2021 Draft Thread

DA, and I'll be honest here, you were a central reason as to why I left this site for two years, so................and I don't want to appear like a precious petal but........ I don't appreciate the tone, I don't appreciate the inference that I'm lining an 18 year old for some special character assassination & I don't appreciate people scanning my posts and making false accusations. The least you can do is read the content before launching into the riot act.

On the topic of Gibcus, he's not more evolved than Jake Lever who went at pick 14, Lever was a 16 beep triathlete, he was a swingman & he had outstanding kicking skills. According to most he's not quite as talented as Naughton who was the last top 10 defender, even using that comparison seems to be a prickly issue but Naughton went at 9, ironically the same pick that we will likely have. If it's not reasonable to draw direct comparisons to that situation then I'm lost, perhaps better not to even mention his name? Would that make people feel more comfortable?

And to be clear, I am not against grabbing a KPD I just question the wisdom of going down that route in a midfielders draft, particularly when there are tall midfielders available who are historically as rare as hens teeth. Gibcus at 15 would appear to be a reasonable bet, provided we can grab at least one tall mid with the first. If we go Gibcus at 9 then we probably miss out on a tall mid entirely, Goater has trained at Essendon & the Bombers didn't do a deal with Hawthorn. They value pick 13 & my hunch is Goater is their target.



Gibcus is just as much a project player as Goater, they both possess outstanding athletic profiles, they both have composure issues & they both have some potential in multiple positions. Goater gets the nod from my perspective because he's had a little more experience as a mid, Gibcus doesn't have the runs on the board as a forward, at least for now, so there's a little more shooting blind. Those who have seen a bit more of him like yourself may have another view, that's fine, all I'm trying to do is piece together the clues and make the best judgement with the best available information.

If we go something like this -

9. Gibcus
15. Sonsie
26. Taylor
28. Butler

then we need to find a taller mid down the order, not sure I like Knevitt & Ned Long as much as the others in the first round, I think the drop off is too great, a much bigger drop off than say the difference between Gibcus & Alleer. This is important in terms of forming a squad with an ironclad floor.

If we went down this route

9. Johnson
15. Gibcus
26. Taylor
28. Butler

I see a more rounded squad and much more room to pick off a 180cm mid like Sheldrick, who I think might be there in the third round. It means overlooking Sonsie but the drop off from Sonsie to say Sheldrick not as stark, at least not in my opinion.

If Gibcus isn't available at 15 then that's just the way the cookie crumbles, it will probably be a similar situation with Goater who I like a lot. But that doesn't mean I would reach with our first selection.
Gibcus issues are minor,we have already gone over this.
Your trying to preach to me ,l have been watching tac-nab cup and the champs matches for probably over 20 years .

I see your point of view with possibly taking a kp defender with a later pick,but not this year imo.
If one of the top mids slide,yeah then l would change my mind,but Gibcus is a good Kp.


Your philosophies and mine differ quite a bit on this draft,and l guess that's what forums are about,differing opinions.

If we are looking for a inside out mid which we are,l rate Connor Macdonald very highly,l remember seeing him earlier in the year against the rebels,he was excellent,he was everywhere,his skill level was really good by hand or foot ,and he has a bit of pace .

I didn't get to see him again,once metro went into lockdown ,the only vision was the vic trial match,and the mids where rotated around.
Then l managed to watch a match of stingrays vrs Eastern Ranges,he was excellent again ,l have no problems with taking him with our second pick,the boy looks good.
 
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Who have you got as the best 3 or 4 genuine inside mids in this draft bullus? Getting 2 of them would be great.
Hobbs is the best, by quite some margin, think he will acquit himself well in a professional environment. Not entirely sure of the ceiling, I'd like to think he could emulate Nathan Jones, albeit with tidier disposal, which I think he has. Next is Taylor who had some crazy good numbers for contested work & clearances, he's also pretty well rounded so you are definitely getting a two way runner. After that I have Roberts who is workmanlike, consistent & impactful in that he gets first use. I think he will polarise many recruiters given he's not flashy or a line breaker, but his numbers stand up to closer scrutiny. Sheldrick should also be in the frame, his ability to contribute when the game is on the line gives him extra brownie points, his disposal is generally good & he can effectively play a lockdown role as he demonstrated against Horne-Francis. You might want to trim him down a touch because an 11kg differential in the height to weight ratio doesn't usually translate well at the highest level. There are exceptions, Dane Swan was a tank and if Sheldrick tests well with his 20 metre sprint then you could feasibly aim for something in this region. Knevitt & Ned Long others to consider but I'm still of the opinion that it's Johnson, Goater & then daylight when assessing the taller midfielders.
 
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Gibcus issues are minor,we have already gone over this.
Your trying to preach to me ,l have been watching tac-nab cup and the champs matches for probably over 20 years .

I see your point of view with possibly taking a kp defender with a later pick,but not this year imo.
If one of the top mids slide,yeah then l would change my mind,but Gibcus is a good Kp.


Your philosophies and mine differ quite a bit on this draft,and l guess that's what forums are about,differing opinions.

If we are looking for a inside out mid which we are,l rate Connor Macdonald very highly,l remember seeing him earlier in the year against the rebels,he was excellent,he was everywhere,his skill level was really good by hand or foot ,and he has a bit of pace .

I didn't get to see him again,once metro went into lockdown ,the only vision was the vic trial match,and the mids where rotated around.
Then l managed to watch a match of stingrays vrs Eastern Ranges,he was excellent again ,l have no problems with taking him with our second pick,the boy looks good.
What’s your view on Marcus Herbert ?
 
Gibcus issues are minor,we have already gone over this.
Your trying to preach to me ,l have been watching tac-nab cup and the champs matches for probably over 20 years .
Here we go again, why do people insist on making this personal? None of my comments have been directed at you, I'm not preaching to anyone and I'm not trying to compare myself with you or Clarke or any other poster for that matter, All things said and done you could probably throw a blanket over picks 6-15 so it comes down to positional preference.
 
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What’s your view on Marcus Herbert ?
Yeah l like him,covid stuffed him up last year,he is a good inside type,and gets through traffic really well,lm not sure how he went in the vfl.
I think he will be a later pick,but it's really hard to say this year with mids.
 
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Yeah l like him,covid stuffed him up last year,he is a good inside type,and gets through traffic really well,lm not sure how he went in the vfl.
I think he will be a later pick,but it's really hard to say this year with mids.
He went ok apparently. 14 disposals and a nice longish goal. Think the Cats are right into him.

Ballantyne ?
 
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He went ok apparently. 14 disposals and a nice longish goal. Think the Cats are right into him.

Ballantyne ?
He has good skills and pace,but he's a bit too outside ,he played some good matches for the Rebels,l reckon a late pick or even rookie,
 
He's there wingman,,but he does play very outside,,,l like player's who do get a bit of the contested ball,.
For an outside winger with nice skills and hard running, he’s your Langdon type that somebody (can’t recall who) was talking about us needing the other day. Not sure if draft him but he’s that sort of player/potential.
 
For an outside winger with nice skills and hard running, he’s your Langdon type that somebody (can’t recall who) was talking about us needing the other day. Not sure if draft him but he’s that sort of player/potential.
Or our Naish type ,although Ballantyne has more pace
 
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Or our Naish type ,although Ballantyne has more pace
Hmm. Naish really wasn’t a good kick and by his own admission when he got de listed, he didn’t quite have the running capacity either. As Pidley will tell you, I never really rated Naish when we drafted him.