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2007 - Our worst season ever.
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AK said:
Your right on here AK. The simple fact is that no one out there could turn around 25 years of incompetence in just 2.5 years. I think Wallace probably didn't anticipate the degree of difficulty himself, but at least he appeas committed to see through what he started which is more than some people.
I will take the pain if it gives us some sustained success, I don't know if it will, but am prepared to ride the tide to fine out. Like many others out there I have already endured 25 years of hope and the one thing I have learn't is that quick fixes, DON'T WORK, THERE IS NO MESSIAH, this can only be turned around by hard work and most of all committment. Committment from Coaches, Players, Boards and Supporters.
At the moment I just can't see anyone out there who is better equipped to do the job anyway.
The Sheedy romance is clutching at straws for mine. Maybe if we had got him all those years ago, but we didn't, time to let it go in my book. He may still be able to offer something in another role, but not as a senior coach.....For he says he only wants to coach for 2 more years. Do we really want to venture down the quick fix route again. Its a detour we can't afford to take at the moment.
Leigh Mathew maybe, but don't seeing him venturing south for awhile...... ;D
Tigerjoe i echo all you said.
Enough talk. Action is what i want.
I want the right people in charge of this once powerful/proud club
I want people with love/passion for the club. Not for the money. We have enough of them .
Until this happens we will remain just where we are with no light at the end of the tunnel.
The old saying"two steps back, to go three steps forward" something along those lines.
Enough talk. Action is what i want.
I want the right people in charge of this once powerful/proud club
I want people with love/passion for the club. Not for the money. We have enough of them .
Until this happens we will remain just where we are with no light at the end of the tunnel.
The old saying"two steps back, to go three steps forward" something along those lines.
Worst season re. win/loss ratio yes.
Worst team ever :rofl get you hand off it.
Far from our worst team when half of it is made up of kids
Worst team ever :rofl get you hand off it.
Far from our worst team when half of it is made up of kids
We've been worse than the last Fitzroy side to go out on the paddock at times this year and at other times we've looked average but competitive. Not sure with the run home though how we're going to build momentum moving into next season.
Gorillas said:
Worst coach ever hey!
Well how do you explain 10 and 11 wins in 2005/2006 with the sh!te list he inherited?
Those 10/11 wins are going to cost us for another 10 years. If Wallace was any judge of talent he would have pruned the list then rather than set us up for a fall now.
I don't doubt Wallace can coach seasoned proffessionals like Wynd, Romero and Liberatore, but even the absolute quality of Nathan Brown didn't really shine at the Bulldogs until he left. After ten years in the coaching caper he is still yet to build a list and develop younger players.
Wallace can coach, just not us at our stage of development, the results speak for themselves.
I don't doubt Wallace can coach seasoned proffessionals like Wynd, Romero and Liberatore, but even the absolute quality of Nathan Brown didn't really shine at the Bulldogs until he left. After ten years in the coaching caper he is still yet to build a list and develop younger players.
Wallace can coach, just not us at our stage of development, the results speak for themselves.
Tambling Man said:
Check this thread Tambling man because you are very naive if you think TW has not purged the list
http://www.puntroadend.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=28329.30
The thing that you people cannot get through your think skulls is that you cannot turn a list over overnight
we are playing more kids this year something a fair few have been screaming out for 2yrs and now some think Terry can,t coach lolWesternTiger said:
Like i,ve said before this year is the year we had to have.
CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:
Yeah but we should have had it in 2005.
Terry overrated his abilities thinking that he could get competitive football out of a bunch of weak minded, talent-less hacks. He has now realised he is not that good after all. He only had to come to PRE in 2004/2005 and read some of the posts from the sensiblesiders and he would have spared himself, and us, of all this pain.
Our pain should have occured in 2005/2006, not now. We should now be in a position where we are slowly but surely climbing the ladder. He has in effet put us 2-3 years behind where we should be. The worrying thing is that he might put us even more behind the 8 ball come trade week and draft day depending on whether his best interests lie with saving his job or the future of the club.
Stafford and Chaffey were retirements, hardly taking an axe to the list.
Rodan has gone on to be valuable player at another club.
Three good delistings from Terry in 06,
Delisting Graham was just cleaning up his own rubbish.
Campbell was a retirement.
Credit to TW for getting rid of 4 hacks in 05. In the same year Port Adelaide got rid of six players, none of which were retirements. Collingwood got rid of eight. Essendon nine, Hawthorn seven.
Fiora and Ottens were excellent trades.
This is Terry's best year, he did go halfway to cleaning out the list, we had a good crack at the 04 draft and this was a great start. It is a damn shame he stopped. I thought he would be a decent coach at this stage. I was wrong, he has gone downhill since.
Tambling Man said:
Good summary.
So in effect he is averaging 4.5 delistings over the past 2 years after coming in and making a statement by swinging the axe hard in 2004. He got a bit carried away with our 2005 and 2006 efforts it seems. He became deluded and couldn't see the sh1t from the roses. 4.5 delistings per year in the middle of a rebuilding period is just not good enough.
Tambling Man said:
How can finishing ninth possibly set us back ten years? Based on what logic? Are you suggesting that finishing down the bottom of the table can only occur if we have a perfectly deliniated graph?
Let's just look at Hawthorn for a second, they qualified for the priorities in 2005 and recruited Dowler and Ellis, Carlton picked Murphy and Kennedy. Any reasonable judge would be stretching the truth if they claimed these guys would make or break the clubs fortunes over the next decade.
I've always been of the opinion that pick 40 is just as important as pick 1, in fact it's more important due to the increased difficulty in uncovering AFL standard talent. You may have less opportunity to recruit a certain type of player but their relative importance cannot be reduced to a number on a sliding scale.
Nathan Foley was a rookie pick and is now our best player, Danny Meyer was pick 12 and will possibly be on the scrap heap in a years time, Jake King has been a revelation this year whilst JON flounders in the reserves. Success in list management isn't just about the number of picks a team has in the top ten, it has never been linked to premiership winning teams and certainly doesn't provide an iron clad guarantee when it comes to a recruits longevity.
Richmond's focus should be about adding 4-5 quality players a year, irrespective of whether these guys come from the beginning or the end of the draft.
Tambling Man said:
The above was a good and honest summary TM.
Basically '04 was very good and he dropped the ball in '05 & '06.
No doubt he's overrated the list in that time.
The only players of genuine note that he's moved on are A Kellaway, R Hilton & D Rodan and even they are fringe players.
The reality of just how poor the list is has hit him like a tonne of bricks this year however and I expect we'll see another purge.
