What is our biggest problem right now? (poll)

[RoarEmotion]

Personally it is whatever is meaning our old guys aren’t performing relative to other teams. I’ve put game plan but really preseason/motivation/Father Time.

Vlaustin, Martin and grimes being this poor relative to what they have put out week after week wasnt on my cards.

 

[Ghost of 29]

My pet peeve is how bad our pre season was.
* Dimma taking a massive OS break while by Caesar’s reports the team had an ordinary preseason was the first red flag. Was concerned then we wouldn’t be fit enough
* The preseason camp sounded like utter nonsense, the footies didn’t even come out?? I get all the bonding crap teams go on with, but to not practice the sport you play even once while away for a week is beyond stupid.
* new S&C guy Luke Meehan…is it his fault we had so many injuries from day 1 preseason and he had little to work with or did he run an inadequate program which is showing how unfit the team is. Has to be under the microscope.
* preseason games v North and Dees were awful. On what I wrote above I was expecting little and got exactly that. I downgraded us from top 8 to bottom 6 then and sadly have been proven correct.

 

[Redford]

I don't think you can pinpoint 1 major issue, its almost a collective.

1 - Injuries have impacted
2 - Playing players out of position to accomodate them
3 - Midfield mix

All of the above are leading to a lack of connection throughout the team, which is leading to the way we are moving the ball, which looks so disjointed. The times when it clicks, we've looked great, its just those times haven't been seen enough due to the above issues.

I think hunger is a copout personally. No-one goes out there without a will to win, these are professional sports people. I know that even for me (and I'm no pro) I absolutely HATE to lose, whether I'm spectating or playing, and I imagine for a pro its even higher, so I reckon the "hunger" chat is just media / supporters spiel but its never actually real.

That’s not right at all. You may want to win, but will you always do what’s required to win ?

You’ve never played in teams that have been flat, lacking that high end level of energy or determination that’s required to win or to play to maximum capability ?

 

[eZyT]

ALL our senior players have declined, even those in the 28 to 30 year bracket.

This when the most recent premiers fielded the oldest teams in history.

Why???

Geelong played a (failed) ball control game the whole time we played brutal pressure kamikaze chaos footy.

the brutality of the brand that yielded us 3 premierships has, IMHO,

simply worn out the 30 yo's - Lambert, Edwards, Dave, Nankervis, bachar, Grimes, Cotchy, maybe dusty

our 30 is everyone else 36.

if you watch the 2017 flag, you cant help but be a bit shocked at how fresh and young they all looked.

This law of physics assessment

reiterate what a freakish champion Jack Reiwoldt is.

he has Kamikaze chaosed probably more than anyone, even Cotchy.

the sole KPF in '17, getting triple teamed and smashed at every contest.

hes jumped and flown with disregard for his own safety for 16 years,

hes 34, and he's probably the last man standing.

bravo Jack

 

[yandb]

Remember when we used to have forward pressure, we were frenetic with manning the mark now it is trotting up to the mark and guarding space.

 

[eZyT]

Frenetic - run - tackle - chase - even man the mark like a wild dog game plan vs kick mark. Would take its toll over a few years. Particularly when you consider extra games due to consecutive finals.

beat me to it.

we are just machines - lumps of meat and bone powered by food. the harder we work, the more worn out we get.

Brick layers get their knees replaced 30 years before dentists.

its why if you want to buy a ute, you buy one from Sorrento, rather than Cape York.

Tigers are worn out.

I wouldnt want it any other way

 

[Brodders17]

At half time of the doggies game we were leading, we were 1 win, 1 draw and 1 loss for the season. Nank had coaches votes in all 3 games, Tom lynch had 2 goals in the first quarter, following on from 2 bags of 3, and a 1 goal 3behinds game. We had 10 goals at half time.
Both Lynch and Nank played out the 2nd half injured, we kicked 2 goals, and the opposition ruck took over. We havent won since, and the opposition rucks have got coaches voted in 3 out of the 4 games we have lost.

Losing Nank (with Soldo also out or lacking fitness) and Lynch has left 2 holes we just havent been able to cover and caused all other issues to be amplified.

 

[artball]

agree with the 'worn-out' sentiment ... which loosely comes under 'injuries' in the poll

3 flags almost 4 takes its toll

coaching/gameplan worth a mention because that includes structure and man-management, pre-season training, fitness, etc..

 

[MD Jazz]

Remember when we used to have forward pressure, we were frenetic with manning the mark now it is trotting up to the mark and guarding space.

The stand rule has made manning the mark and directing the next kick where you want it almost obsolete. We were ther best at it by a mile. For years. Slower ball movement. Force the kick to where you outnumber. Turn it over and swarm it forward. Rinse and repeat.

Now teams can pick their way down the field at wil;l. The guy in possession has multiple options. They can kick diagnolly either side of the man on the mark. They can run past the man on the mark unimpeded. It is simply harder to pressure the ball carrier.

And we were never the most skilled side, we didn't need to be. But our lack of kicking skills is hurting now when they are at a premium.

Add physical wear and tear and potential motivation issues on an ageing playing group and its a perfect shitstorm.

 

[eZyT]

agree with the 'worn-out' sentiment ... which loosely comes under 'injuries' in the poll

3 flags almost 4 takes its toll

coaching/gameplan worth a mention because that includes structure and man-management, pre-season training, fitness, etc..

Its a perfect gravitational storm really.

3 flags wore out the machinery,

dictates that we had to buy 2nd hand replacement parts,

And the governing body regulated the running of the factory so our competitors could get their market share.

Wheres all the bozos talking about socialists when you need them?

Still, hands up who would swap our 3 flags for 6 consecutive prelims and 1 premiership, to be in the top 4 this year?

 

[Tigers of Old]

The stand rule has made manning the mark and directing the next kick where you want it almost obsolete. We were ther best at it by a mile. For years. Slower ball movement. Force the kick to where you outnumber. Turn it over and swarm it forward. Rinse and repeat.

Now teams can pick their way down the field at wil;l. The guy in possession has multiple options. They can kick diagnolly either side of the man on the mark. They can run past the man on the mark unimpeded. It is simply harder to pressure the ball carrier.

And we were never the most skilled side, we didn't need to be. But our lack of kicking skills is hurting now when they are at a premium.

Add physical wear and tear and potential motivation issues on an ageing playing group and its a perfect shitstorm.

Great post.

 

[yo_eddy]

The stand rule has made manning the mark and directing the next kick where you want it almost obsolete. We were ther best at it by a mile. For years. Slower ball movement. Force the kick to where you outnumber. Turn it over and swarm it forward. Rinse and repeat.

Now teams can pick their way down the field at wil;l. The guy in possession has multiple options. They can kick diagnolly either side of the man on the mark. They can run past the man on the mark unimpeded. It is simply harder to pressure the ball carrier.

And we were never the most skilled side, we didn't need to be. But our lack of kicking skills is hurting now when they are at a premium.

Add physical wear and tear and potential motivation issues on an ageing playing group and its a perfect shitstorm.

We were probably close to being worn out anyway but those rule changes killed us off. It directly benefited Geelong (what a surprise) with their older list and putrid game style.

 

[Dev Tiger]

I think fitness and conditioning as well as recruiting kids through the draft (Not mature age players).

 

[DavidSSS]

The stand rule has made manning the mark and directing the next kick where you want it almost obsolete. We were ther best at it by a mile. For years. Slower ball movement. Force the kick to where you outnumber. Turn it over and swarm it forward. Rinse and repeat.

Now teams can pick their way down the field at wil;l. The guy in possession has multiple options. They can kick diagnolly either side of the man on the mark. They can run past the man on the mark unimpeded. It is simply harder to pressure the ball carrier.

And we were never the most skilled side, we didn't need to be. But our lack of kicking skills is hurting now when they are at a premium.

Add physical wear and tear and potential motivation issues on an ageing playing group and its a perfect shitstorm.

Yep, so many factors at play.

Given the evenness of the competition you just need to drop a few percent on a few aspects of the game and you tumble down to the bottom. Add to that the point made above about how much more competitive we were with Nank and Lynch in the team and you get the picture.

The thing about elite sport is just how close the winner is to the also-ran. I often compare it to professional cycling, I always remember the Tour that Cadel Evans won in 2011, everyone thought he could make up the time in that last time-trial, that Evans was a far superior time trialer than Shleck. But the difference, around 2KM/h, that's the difference between a champion and an also ran, it is so close.

DS

 

[Little Ziggyadee]

Remember when we used to have forward pressure, we were frenetic with manning the mark now it is trotting up to the mark and guarding space.

The good old days.

 

[tommystigers]

Skills and lack of adaptation/coaching/staff. We are pretty much the same kick to the pocket, down the line team we have been. Our skills are average our chaos ball less skilled so we suffer as teams waltz it out and score. Our warriors are slower and we miss a few like Shedda and Bachar and their brilliance. Need another shake-up or review. Dimma needs to revisit 2016 early as this season is already done.

 

[Smoking Aces]

The stand rule has made manning the mark and directing the next kick where you want it almost obsolete. We were ther best at it by a mile. For years. Slower ball movement. Force the kick to where you outnumber. Turn it over and swarm it forward. Rinse and repeat.

Now teams can pick their way down the field at wil;l. The guy in possession has multiple options. They can kick diagnolly either side of the man on the mark. They can run past the man on the mark unimpeded. It is simply harder to pressure the ball carrier.

And we were never the most skilled side, we didn't need to be. But our lack of kicking skills is hurting now when they are at a premium.

Add physical wear and tear and potential motivation issues on an ageing playing group and its a perfect shitstorm.

At what point do we still use the stand rule as an excuse? Its been in play for 2 years. FWIW I didnt think it effected us last year. We were the highest scoring team in the comp.

 

[Redford]

At what point do we still use the stand rule as an excuse? Its been in play for 2 years. FWIW I didnt think it effected us last year. We were the highest scoring team in the comp.

I think it’s more from a defensive perspective that it’s affected us which, still doesn’t excuse the fact that we haven’t adapted. That’s one reason, amongst a few, that I put coaching/tactics game plan call it what you will in my personal mix of problems.

 

[Ian4]

i would say there are 2 things that are not listed:
1. The unexpected quick decline of our senior core of players.
2. The lack of forward pressure. Teams get it out so easily, especially from our points. Is there anyone that can provide data that corroborates this? Surely we are close to 18th in this category.

 

[Redford]

i would say there are 2 things that are not listed:
1. The unexpected quick decline of our senior core of players.
2. The lack of forward pressure. Teams get it out so easily, especially from our points. Is there anyone that can provide data that corroborates this? Surely we are close to 18th in this category.

It was amazing on Sunday how easy it came out. Training drill stuff for GC as they walked it out of our forward line time and time again.