What an absolute disgrace

[johnson2richo2003]

We throw money to keep the Grand Prix yet we keep these kids on the waiting list.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24241300-661,00.html

Your a disgrace Brumby

 

[mb64]

Spot on Skipper,hard to understand.

 

[RemoteTiger]

Throwing money at the Hospital System in this case does not seem to be the solution - it is the trained personnel needed that is of short supply - and not everybody wants to be a trained nurse these days.

It is a disgrace that we as a society and our leaders do not have the foresight to see this type of problem coming from at least a decade earlier.

But whilst our political system is propped up by money donated from different lobby groups (Unions for the Labor Party - Chambers of Commerce and Trade for the Liberal Party - big business for both) those in power are bound to prioritise and give back to the donars the policies and laws that those donars want. In this way the power party will get the donation again and again and again.

Plus there is no real hot political news in staffing a hospital correctly - but a Grand Prix well that is all sex and sizzle.

Get political party donations out of politics and thus stop the party in power from bowing and kissing the boots of donars. Then and only then might we see some real leadership from a political head who will make the right decisions for society and not just those who helped $$$$ wise put him/her in power.........RT

 

[Redford]

Brumby is rapidly turning into a disgrace full stop.

Hows this suggestion that he's looking into applying more and/or increased road tolls plus instigating a "congestion tax" for cars in the city ?

Public transport is in chaos - thanks in no small part to his party's lack of planning - so clearly this *smile* wants us all to either walk or cycle to work.

 

[Tiger74]

Brumby is rapidly turning into a disgrace full stop.

Hows this suggestion that he's looking into applying more and/or increased road tolls plus instigating a "congestion tax" for cars in the city ?

Public transport is in chaos - thanks in no small part to his party's lack of planning - so clearly this *smile* wants us all to either walk or cycle to work.

This was not party initiated, its a part of a whole range of options the dept has put together to be appraised.

Generally these kind of options die a quick death once the poli's get their hands on them.

This issue is all about nursing numbers. Globally there is a shortage, and we are not just losing nurses to Queensland and WA, but to the UK and so on. I honestly don't know how to address this one. You can throw bucket loads of money at the nurses, but this tactic is prone to fail as the next Govt outbids you to get the nurses back. Training helps, but the numbers move elsewhere.

 

[Redford]

This was not party initiated, its a part of a whole range of options the dept has put together to be appraised.

Generally these kind of options die a quick death once the poli's get their hands on them.

So you dont think Vic Roads and the Department of Transport would have had any briefing presented to them by the State Government before going off on their review ? As Terry Mulder said the other day, they wouldnt have gone off and created this Transport Policy & Legislation Review simply of their own accord.

And I'd like to believe you re: these sorts of options dying a quick death once the pollies get their hands on them, but didnt the Bracks Government approve in 2005 a congestion tax on long-stay car parking spaces in central Melbourne, arguing the levy aimed to "ease congestion" ?

 

[Tiger74]

So you dont think Vic Roads and the Department of Transport would have had any briefing presented to them by the State Government before going off on their review ? As Terry Mulder said the other day, they wouldnt have gone off and created this Transport Policy & Legislation Review simply of their own accord.

And I'd like to believe you re: these sorts of options dying a quick death once the pollies get their hands on them, but didnt the Bracks Government approve in 2005 a congestion tax on long-stay car parking spaces in central Melbourne, arguing the levy aimed to "ease congestion" ?

Have dealt with Govt dept's a bit in my jobs (and have family working for one dept), what they say and do is often outside what the minister ultimately wants. Don't ask me why, its a waste of time and resources, but......

On the car park tax, it had a different angle. The aim of that was to discourage long term parking and encourage more short term options. This was to help rebuild the notion its easy to shop in the CBD (and lack of available car parking was a big blocker apparently). Personally I doubt its effectiveness, but thats what it was designed to do.

 

[pahoffm]

Just seems that this is another element of Victoria's infrastructure that has fallen apart under this government.

Water
Trains
Hospitals

What next?

 

[Tiger74]

Just seems that this is another element of Victoria's infrastructure that has fallen apart under this government.

Water
Trains
Hospitals

What next?

not just this govt, name on in the past 40 years that had these running at peak efficiency when under demand pressure?

Biggest issue facing all three is people demand a 1st class service, but will not pay for it (we still want our tax cut). Poli's being interested only in the next election have a choice of spending billions for no immediate gain (pissing off the electorate as taxes go up), or cutting taxes and being a short term hero.

Guess which they pick.

You can add ports, airports, schools, power (for some states), Customs, quarantine, product safety regulators, and so on to the list as well. All are under resourced or under invested, and are creating bottlenecks or delivery issues today.

 

[Redford]

Victoria is out of control ! Man the life boats ! Man the life boats !

 

[Willo]

not just this govt, name on in the past 40 years that had these running at peak efficiency when under demand pressure?

Biggest issue facing all three is people demand a 1st class service, but will not pay for it (we still want our tax cut). Poli's being interested only in the next election have a choice of spending billions for no immediate gain (p!ssing off the electorate as taxes go up), or cutting taxes and being a short term hero.

Guess which they pick.

You can add ports, airports, schools, power (for some states), Customs, quarantine, product safety regulators, and so on to the list as well. All are under resourced or under invested, and are creating bottlenecks or delivery issues today.

well the Feds always seem to have enough in the bucket to send overseas! (where's Liverpool eep )

 

[Redford]

"She's breakin up ! She's breakin' up ! "

"No, we can rebuild it."

 

[Legends of 2017]

I guess if any government boasts about having a surplus, they're happy.
As for the rest of us not in politics (that is, living in the real world), we would love to see some of that used

 

[Tiger74]

I guess if any government boasts about having a surplus, they're happy.
As for the rest of us not in politics (that is, living in the real world), we would love to see some of that used

Actually thats wrong. Everyone now LOVES a surplus, and any Govt that fails to have one is seen as fiscally irresposible.

Its silly, because debt is not a bad thing, but its a hangover from the debt binge of the 1980's so its pretty understandable.

I still hate the fact that both Citylink and Eastlink could have been funded by debt, but because it would have created a deficit for a few years

 

[1eyedtiger]

Actually thats wrong. Everyone now LOVES a surplus, and any Govt that fails to have one is seen as fiscally irresposible.

Its silly, because debt is not a bad thing, but its a hangover from the debt binge of the 1980's so its pretty understandable.

I still hate the fact that both Citylink and Eastlink could have been funded by debt, but because it would have created a deficit for a few years

Biggest load of crap I've ever heard. The surplus is many times bigger than both of those projects. The fact is, the taxpayers have paid for services they have never received. Bracks promised that Eastlink would be built without tolls before an election, and then a couple of months later said they would be tolled. Do you seriously believe that Bracks didn't know before the election that there would be tolls? As far as I'm concerned, the Labor party of Victoria is guilty of electoral fraud and should be made liable for the entire project!

Want me to go further? How about the $17 million per gold medal at the Olympic games? Never mind which kids die from heart disease. Who cares about that . As long as we get some gold!

I'll go as far as say that many have died just so your precious governments can have their surpluses and win elections.


Not everyone loves a surplus. Taxpayers money should be spent according to the best interests of the taxpayer.

Priorities? does anyone remember those? You get want you need first and what you want later if you can.

 

[Tiger74]

Biggest load of crap I've ever heard. The surplus is many times bigger than both of those projects. The fact is, the taxpayers have paid for services they have never received. Bracks promised that Eastlink would be built without tolls before an election, and then a couple of months later said they would be tolled. Do you seriously believe that Bracks didn't know before the election that there would be tolls? As far as I'm concerned, the Labor party of Victoria is guilty of electoral fraud and should be made liable for the entire project!

Want me to go further? How about the $17 million per gold medal at the Olympic games? Never mind which kids die from heart disease. Who cares about that . As long as we get some gold!

I'll go as far as say that many have died just so your precious governments can have their surpluses and win elections.


Not everyone loves a surplus. Taxpayers money should be spent according to the best interests of the taxpayer.

Priorities? does anyone remember those? You get want you need first and what you want later if you can.

Firstly no-one had any idea the property boom would delivery the tax boom the States enjoyed, and both projects at the time of the funding decision were a choice between private ownership or debt. Of course after the fact the surplus would have paid it off, but with hindsight any decision is easy.

As for priorities, have you spoken to your fellow voters lately? Howard was loved for tax cuts and baby bonuses. Rudd got in by agreeing to maintain the tax cuts AND to maintain the surplus. At a state level, the few times Govt's have even gone into a deficit for a short time they have been bashed by public perception as fiscally irresponsible.

What you say is true and fair and reasonable, but its not what people want. Give the majority of voters a choice between a 10% tax cut and ongoing infrastructure funding issues, and a 20% tax hike and these issues a solved, I bet I know which they will vote for. Look at the GST, Howard only got it through because it was a "non-core" promise he broke. You don't win elections promising tax increases.

 

[Legends of 2017]

I guess if any government boasts about having a surplus, they're happy.
As for the rest of us not in politics (that is, living in the real world), we would love to see some of that used

Actually, I should clarify what I meant. It's not the fact that governments have a surplus, it's just that they want a bigger surplus than the year before. How much of a surplus is needed? Federally, is a 20 billion dollar surplus any better for the community than a 10 billion dollar one? Would us ordinary folk notice the difference? I doubt it. But we would notice it when hospitals, schools and other infrastrucutre is created to benefit us.

 

[Tiger74]

Actually, I should clarify what I meant. It's not the fact that governments have a surplus, it's just that they want a bigger surplus than the year before. How much of a surplus is needed? Federally, is a 20 billion dollar surplus any better for the community than a 10 billion dollar one? Would us ordinary folk notice the difference? I doubt it. But we would notice it when hospitals, schools and other infrastrucutre is created to benefit us.

They notice. The way they notice is when Terry McCrann writes on the front page of the HUN at the release of the Budget that Costello/Swann/whoever is on a spending orgy, with the mandatory pick of the relevant treasurer in a Caligula-esque money orgy.

Since the 80's people read deficit as bad, and a surplus as good. Therefore a bigger surplus must mean you are really good.

Not saying its right, this is just how it reads on the HUN.

 

[Redford]

Biggest load of crap I've ever heard. The surplus is many times bigger than both of those projects. The fact is, the taxpayers have paid for services they have never received. Bracks promised that Eastlink would be built without tolls before an election, and then a couple of months later said they would be tolled. Do you seriously believe that Bracks didn't know before the election that there would be tolls? As far as I'm concerned, the Labor party of Victoria is guilty of electoral fraud and should be made liable for the entire project!

Want me to go further? How about the $17 million per gold medal at the Olympic games? Never mind which kids die from heart disease. Who cares about that . As long as we get some gold!

I'll go as far as say that many have died just so your precious governments can have their surpluses and win elections.


Not everyone loves a surplus. Taxpayers money should be spent according to the best interests of the taxpayer.

Priorities? does anyone remember those? You get want you need first and what you want later if you can.

Nice belting of Warthog74. :hihi

 

[Liverpool]

Biggest load of crap I've ever heard. The surplus is many times bigger than both of those projects. The fact is, the taxpayers have paid for services they have never received. Bracks promised that Eastlink would be built without tolls before an election, and then a couple of months later said they would be tolled. Do you seriously believe that Bracks didn't know before the election that there would be tolls? As far as I'm concerned, the Labor party of Victoria is guilty of electoral fraud and should be made liable for the entire project!
Want me to go further? How about the $17 million per gold medal at the Olympic games? Never mind which kids die from heart disease. Who cares about that . As long as we get some gold!
I'll go as far as say that many have died just so your precious governments can have their surpluses and win elections.
Not everyone loves a surplus. Taxpayers money should be spent according to the best interests of the taxpayer.
Priorities? does anyone remember those? You get want you need first and what you want later if you can.

1-eyed,
If you want to talk about priorities....how about giving jobs to OUR unemployed BEFORE we start hiring labour in from the Pacific islands?

http://sl.farmonline.com.au/news/nationalrural/agribusiness-and-general/general/aboriginal-leader-slams-pacific-island-labour-plan/1253157.aspx

As far as i'm concerned....instead of stopping payments to parents who have kids that wag school (mind you, good idea...wonder if it will filter down to the Aboriginal families where wagging school is rife under the banner of protecting 'cultural identity'?)....why doesn't the Government look at stopping payments to people who are fit, healthy, and been unemployed for longer than 6 months who refuse to go and do this fruit-picking.......fruit-picking that the Government is prepared to spend $$$ on importing people to do?

And with the downturn int he economy...what will happen to these people once they are here and then lose their job?
Let me guess......dole queue....gee, maybe the Chairman can have a "QueueWatch" to go along with his Fuelwatch, Grocerywatch, and whatever 'watch' he has going because there seems to be a lot of watching, but not much doing!

But the master plan is votes...that is what counts.
If you are a Pacific Islander....living on some God-foresaken hole in the middle of the ocean with no prospects and you get given the opportunity to come to Australia, all expenses paid, to work and start a life here.....who would you vote for next election???

Vote 1 Chairman Rudd!