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Trade period 2021

Dyer'ere said:
I think it was the 2019 PF post match presser Chris Scott was asked how you beat Richmond. He said “Well, you’ve got to score.”
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early on in the 2017 season and people didn't pay us much attention , I heard Dermie interject one game and say "Hey the Tigers have a really good shape behind the ball" and started hearing similar bits and pieces thru the year
if you go down the shoot out path I think you can always be beaten
but if you get your defense right you can withstand the periods when the opposition get most of the possession , just the natural ebb and flow of the game
we have now had a good mix of players to cover the back 6 for 5 years and have good methods of restricting the opposition scoring without just parking the bus
and out defense has evolved to meet the challenges of new teams , new rules etc
thats our base for 2022 , just got to get the other stuff right
 
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ceehook2 said:
early on in the 2017 season and people didn't pay us much attention , I heard Dermie interject one game and say "Hey the Tigers have a really good shape behind the ball" and started hearing similar bits and pieces thru the year
if you go down the shoot out path I think you can always be beaten
but if you get your defense right you can withstand the periods when the opposition get most of the possession , just the natural ebb and flow of the game
we have now had a good mix of players to cover the back 6 for 5 years and have good methods of restricting the opposition scoring without just parking the bus
and out defense has evolved to meet the challenges of new teams , new rules etc
thats our base for 2022 , just got to get the other stuff right
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Shootout is cheap ugly football, ceehook. Agree. Not to say we don't roll the dice brilliantly and in a most organised fashion when we plan to.

If we can get our players, especially Tarrant, on the ground we are rock solid for 2022, ceehook. We want Rioli to go on with it because we have always missed Bachar when he's unavailable. Not least of all in 2021.

In the medium term we have Valstuin, Balta, Broad and Short locked. Rioli emerging. And a stalwart like Grimes still looking strong. You're right, that's six. Tarrant for a little while. We're not without the guts of a backline until Valstuin retires.

Until Rioli started to bloom we have struggled to move the ball from D50 without Houli threatening to rip through the line. (Baker was good at sending the ball though but lost confidence with the ball in 2021 when he was promoted to onball.) There's a lot riding on Rioli. And possibly Stack.

As I see it we're short on emerging talent atm. Let's see how we look in four months. The backline is not urgent but we need line breaking.
 
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ceehook2 said:
early on in the 2017 season and people didn't pay us much attention , I heard Dermie interject one game and say "Hey the Tigers have a really good shape behind the ball" and started hearing similar bits and pieces thru the year
if you go down the shoot out path I think you can always be beaten
but if you get your defense right you can withstand the periods when the opposition get most of the possession , just the natural ebb and flow of the game
we have now had a good mix of players to cover the back 6 for 5 years and have good methods of restricting the opposition scoring without just parking the bus
and out defense has evolved to meet the challenges of new teams , new rules etc
thats our base for 2022 , just got to get the other stuff right
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In 2016, our mantra was “score an additional 2 goals per game” to become the best team in the comp, statistically.

In 2017, we did everything that other teams could do to prevent us from achieving our 2016 goal, and then some.

Just as human brains have shrunk because we’ve evolved to benefit from collective intelligence, our defensive brains shrunk in 2017 to become the smallest of any team in history.

Our defence was the definition of synergy. Outside us, it helped that everyone else was predictable, always seeking a feeling of control with the ball. Our team could plan around stopping them from doing what we knew they were going to do.

From 2017, the situations that sometimes got us were boundary throw-ins (chaos), after a chain of handball possessions I50 (chaos), or after a short pass to a loose team mate around 45m out on an angle (planned, but not enough time to stop, and resources better invested elsewhere). It was a fortress.

2021 is the first time since 2016 that I’ve felt nervous when the opposition kicked the ball I50. That’s partly us (injuries & age) and partly them (moving the ball quicker or less predictably).

We should be at full strength defensively next year. I just wonder if we can find a way to stop faster ball movement (how do we setup in time?) or chaos (how do we plan for the unexpected?)
 
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ARCHYBOY said:
For those that are having a whinge that we did nothing in the trade period or weren’t aggressive enough, Do you guys realise that the salary cap for next year hasn’t been finalised yet by the AFL....
It’s what kept most clubs quiet.
AFL is truly run by amateurs in the context of world sport.
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Corrupt amateurs.
 
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1991 wasn't an open draft as we now know it. Clubs still had under-19s and zones that they could sign players from.
 
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Thought I’ll post this here for fun


PICK 1: EVERY SELECTION SINCE 1990​

Adelaide: Nil

Brisbane: John Hutton (1991), Des Headland (1998), Cam Rayner (2017)

Carlton: Marc Murphy (2005), Bryce Gibbs (2006), Matthew Kreuzer (2007), Jacob Weitering (2015), Sam Walsh (2018)

Collingwood: Josh Fraser (1999)

Essendon: Andrew McGrath (2016)

Fremantle: Jeff White (1994), Clive Waterhouse (1995)

Geelong: Stephen Hooper (1990)

Gold Coast: David Swallow (2010), Matt Rowell (2019)

GWS Giants: Jon Patton (2011), Lachie Whitfield (2012), Tom Boyd (2013)

Hawthorn: Luke Hodge (2001)

Melbourne: Travis Johnstone (1997), Jack Watts (2008), Tom Scully (2009)

North Melbourne: Nil

Port Adelaide: Nil

Richmond: Brett Deledio (2004)

St Kilda: Nick Riewoldt (2000), Brendon Goddard (2002), Paddy McCartin (2014)

Sydney: Darren Gaspar (1993)

West Coast: Drew Banfield (1992), Michael Gardiner (1996)

Western Bulldogs: Adam Cooney (2003), Jamarra Ugle-Hagan (2020)
 
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seven said:
Thought I’ll post this here for fun


PICK 1: EVERY SELECTION SINCE 1990​

Adelaide: Nil

Brisbane: John Hutton (1991), Des Headland (1998), Cam Rayner (2017)

Carlton: Marc Murphy (2005), Bryce Gibbs (2006), Matthew Kreuzer (2007), Jacob Weitering (2015), Sam Walsh (2018)

Collingwood: Josh Fraser (1999)

Essendon: Andrew McGrath (2016)

Fremantle: Jeff White (1994), Clive Waterhouse (1995)

Geelong: Stephen Hooper (1990)

Gold Coast: David Swallow (2010), Matt Rowell (2019)

GWS Giants: Jon Patton (2011), Lachie Whitfield (2012), Tom Boyd (2013)

Hawthorn: Luke Hodge (2001)

Melbourne: Travis Johnstone (1997), Jack Watts (2008), Tom Scully (2009)

North Melbourne: Nil

Port Adelaide: Nil

Richmond: Brett Deledio (2004)

St Kilda: Nick Riewoldt (2000), Brendon Goddard (2002), Paddy McCartin (2014)

Sydney: Darren Gaspar (1993)

West Coast: Drew Banfield (1992), Michael Gardiner (1996)

Western Bulldogs: Adam Cooney (2003), Jamarra Ugle-Hagan (2020)
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How embarrassment for poor Carlscum. Had three number one picks in a row n still couldn't build a good team on the back of them. They've currently got two number one picks and are flat out trying to purchase a team to put around them.
 
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seven said:
Thought I’ll post this here for fun


PICK 1: EVERY SELECTION SINCE 1990​

Adelaide: Nil

Brisbane: John Hutton (1991), Des Headland (1998), Cam Rayner (2017)

Carlton: Marc Murphy (2005), Bryce Gibbs (2006), Matthew Kreuzer (2007), Jacob Weitering (2015), Sam Walsh (2018)

Collingwood: Josh Fraser (1999)

Essendon: Andrew McGrath (2016)

Fremantle: Jeff White (1994), Clive Waterhouse (1995)

Geelong: Stephen Hooper (1990)

Gold Coast: David Swallow (2010), Matt Rowell (2019)

GWS Giants: Jon Patton (2011), Lachie Whitfield (2012), Tom Boyd (2013)

Hawthorn: Luke Hodge (2001)

Melbourne: Travis Johnstone (1997), Jack Watts (2008), Tom Scully (2009)

North Melbourne: Nil

Port Adelaide: Nil

Richmond: Brett Deledio (2004)

St Kilda: Nick Riewoldt (2000), Brendon Goddard (2002), Paddy McCartin (2014)

Sydney: Darren Gaspar (1993)

West Coast: Drew Banfield (1992), Michael Gardiner (1996)

Western Bulldogs: Adam Cooney (2003), Jamarra Ugle-Hagan (2020)
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The remarkable thing about that list though is the distinct lack of premierships for most of them.

Just shows that getting Pick 1 isn't the Holy Grail its made out to be, and that 1 very good player isn't worth selling the farm for.
 
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spook said:
1991 wasn't an open draft as we now know it. Clubs still had under-19s and zones that they could sign players from.
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Does anyone know how many of the 1989 Under 19 premiership team went on to play VFL / AFL or even reserves with Richmond? And then did any not play with Richmond and go to other VFL/AFL clubs?
 
Born_a_Tiger78 said:
Does anyone know how many of the 1989 Under 19 premiership team went on to play VFL / AFL or even reserves with Richmond? And then did any not play with Richmond and go to other VFL/AFL clubs?
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B: B Collery, G Theile, R Walker
HB: Stuart Maxfield, Stephen Ryan, C Young
C: S Raggatt, B Steenholdt, G Edwards
HF: A Pickering, S Bowden, R Elliott
F: A James, M Rice, D Flight
R: M Francis, S Cochrane, Dallas Kalms
Inter: Ty Esler, A Lindsay, P Lodge

By me reckoning the 7 I’ve highlighted were the only ones to play senior AFL.
 
Born_a_Tiger78 said:
Does anyone know how many of the 1989 Under 19 premiership team went on to play VFL / AFL or even reserves with Richmond? And then did any not play with Richmond and go to other VFL/AFL clubs?
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1989
Richmond 12.10.82 def Nth Melb 5.7.37

B: B Collery, G Theile, R Walker
HB: Stuart Maxfield, Stephen Ryan, C Young
C: S Raggatt, B Steenholdt, G Edwards
HF: A Pickering, S Bowden, R Elliott
F: A James, M Rice, D Flight
R: M Francis, S Cochrane, Dallas Kalms
Inter: Ty Esler, A Lindsay, P Lodge

Goals: Steenholdt (2), Rice (2), Pickering (2), Maxfield (1), Ryan (1), Young (1), Elliott (1), Flight (1), James (1)

Tigerland Archive | Under 19 Premiership Teams

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