Terrorist attacks in Paris

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It's called living your life, choices about who to trust and who not to are made by us every day. There are stories like that over and over in general life, the murderer or rapist who seemed like a good bloke stories that happen all the time.
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The French that went out to a band and dinner a few weeks ago made the wrong choice hey?

Infidels. Probably had the temerity to laugh at a cartoon of that goat herder.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Seriously ?

When did I say they were? You raised "sides" not me. My post was simply stating that Reclaim Australia don't represent me and they are on the anti-ISIS "side" meaning it is far more complex than simple words like that.

There are only two sides. If you're having trouble choosing between them...

 

[Sintiger]

The French that went out to a band and dinner a few weeks ago made the wrong choice hey?

Infidels. Probably had the temerity to laugh at a cartoon of that goat herder.

It's all a bit nuanced for you isn't it ?

There is a thing called being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Getting on the wrong plane that crashes, driving normally just when the drunk guy comes the other way, being 4 years old and going to preschool one day at Sandy Hook in the US and yes, going to the wrong restaurant in Paris on the wrong night. Sheer bad luck.

ISIS supporters and fighters have killed infinitely more muslims than non muslims and I suspect none of them laughed at any cartoon.

Honestly there is no point. I'll leave it at that.

 

[Sintiger]

There are only two sides. If you're having trouble choosing between them...

No there isn't.

 

[Tigers of Old]

A bit worrying see that Daesh are achieving their goal to create an us v them divide between Muslims and the rest.

Yep.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

No there isn't.

IS
anti-IS

Any more?

 

[Coburgtiger]

IS
anti-IS

Any more?

If you're seriously suggesting that I have to be part of Reclaim Australia, if I oppose ISIS, then you've lost it.

You spew a lot of dangerous nonsense on this thread.

 

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It's all a bit nuanced for you isn't it ?

There is a thing called being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Getting on the wrong plane that crashes, driving normally just when the drunk guy comes the other way, being 4 years old and going to preschool one day at Sandy Hook in the US and yes, going to the wrong restaurant in Paris on the wrong night. Sheer bad luck.

ISIS supporters and fighters have killed infinitely more muslims than non muslims and I suspect none of them laughed at any cartoon.

Honestly there is no point. I'll leave it at that.

Sorry for my ignorance. And I understand Isis have persecuted ...,00000's Muslims. Does it somehow mean I should accept Islam isn't at fault?

I'm frankly surprised that many here seem to be advocating censorship.

Here's another article on free speech by Hitchens - I think the description condescending multiculturalists in the 2nd last paragraph is quite apt to some on this thread.

www.vanityfair.com/news/2009/02/

 

[Sintiger]

IS
anti-IS

Any more?

No don't need anymore. But you are wrong

 

[Sintiger]

Sorry for my ignorance. And I understand Isis have persecuted ...,00000's Muslims. Does it somehow mean I should accept Islam isn't at fault?

I'm frankly surprised that many here seem to be advocating censorship.

Here's another article on free speech by Hitchens - I think the description condescending multiculturalists in the 2nd last paragraph is quite apt to some on this thread.

www.vanityfair.com/news/2009/02/

Not sure why you are quoting this in a reply to my post. I haven't commented on the issue of free speech at all

Re your first point Islam is not at fault, misinterpretation of Islam by a minority is at fault.

 

[bullus_hit]

IS
anti-IS

Any more?

Lol, so the hundreds of thousands of muslims fleeing the tyranny of IS are suddenly on your side - glad to hear it. Now as your allies, are you willing to house them or has your paranoia reached such levels that even women and babies are potential threats?

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Lol, so the hundreds of thousands of muslims fleeing the tyranny of IS are suddenly on your side - glad to hear it. Now as your allies, are you willing to house them or has your paranoia reached such levels that even women and babies are potential threats?

Well they bloody well should be on our side. That's the point.

PS The women at the Red Mosque who pledged allegiance to IS aren't welcome.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Re your first point Islam is not at fault, misinterpretation of Islam by a minority is at fault.

As someone posted the other day... when it continues to be misinterpreted to the point of assuming a licence to kill, the manual's at fault.

 

[Sintiger]

As someone posted the other day... when it continues to be misinterpreted to the point of assuming a licence to kill, the manual's at fault.

http://www.theage.com.au/world/comedians-swap-bible-for-koran-to-test-prejudice-against-islam-20151206-glguch.html

Comedians swap Bible for Koran to test prejudice against Islam

Date December 7, 2015 - 9:48AM
Bible versus Koran, do you know the difference?

Dutch comedians disguise a Bible as a Koran and read some of its most shocking verses to people on the street to test prejudice against Islam.

How well do you know the Bible and Koran? That's what two Dutch comedians wanted to find out.

Sacha Harland and Alexander Spoor bought a Bible and disguised it by putting a fake cover on it that read "The Holy Koran".

They then approached people on the street and read out various "shocking verses", asking people what they thought.

Topics included the role of women, homosexuality and obedience to God.

"A woman should learn in quietness and full submission," one passage read.

"If two men sleep with each other they will both have to be killed," another one read.

The Dutch pair asked people in the street what they thought about passages from the Bible, which they pretended were from the Koran.

"If you reject my commands and abhor my laws, you will eat the flesh of your own sons and the flesh of your own daughters."

Responses varied from shock to indignation.

"This sounds ridiculous," one man said.

Responses varied from shock to indignation.

"How could anyone believe in this? That's unbelievable to me," another woman said.

People were then asked to compare these passages to their perception of the Bible, not yet realising the quotes were taken from the Bible.

"I would think the Koran is more aggressive, especially with things like cutting off people's hands," one man said.

"I think the Bible mostly has a lot of positive things in it," one woman said.

"The Bible is a lot less harsh and a bit more peaceful," a man said.

"It bothers me that some people see these old writings as the absolute truth," one woman said.

It was then that the comedians came clean.

"Seriously?!" and "What the hell?" were some responses, along with much laughter.

But one man nailed it.

"It's all just prejudice really. I always try not to be prejudiced myself, but apparently I already am. It's just something you do unconsciously," he said.

The video went viral on YouTube with more than a million views since Friday when it was posted.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/comedians-swap-bible-for-koran-to-test-prejudice-against-islam-20151206-glguch.html#ixzz3tcKx4tts
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[LeeToRainesToRoach]

http://www.theage.com.au/world/comedians-swap-bible-for-koran-to-test-prejudice-against-islam-20151206-glguch.html

Comedians swap Bible for Koran to test prejudice against Islam
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As you and others are fond of repeating, there's a lot of stuff in the Bible that would see you locked up in no time if interpreted literally. The Catholic church has at least made a modicum of progress. Things like a belief in being re-united with loved ones in the afterlife are quite recent additions to church teachings.

Are there any passages which state non-Christians are the enemy and should be killed "wherever they are found"? When was the last time anyone cited the Bible as a licence to kill?

Islamic fundies are stuck in a prehistoric time warp, but I guess both texts forecast a showdown with the Anti-Christ. See you at Dabiq.

 

[Sintiger]

As you and others are fond of repeating, there's a lot of stuff in the Bible that would see you locked up in no time if interpreted literally. The Catholic church has at least made a modicum of progress. Things like a belief in being re-united with loved ones in the afterlife are quite recent additions to church teachings.

Are there any passages which state non-Christians are the enemy and should be killed "wherever they are found"? When was the last time anyone cited the Bible as a licence to kill?

Islamic fundies are stuck in a prehistoric time warp, but I guess both texts forecast a showdown with the Anti-Christ. See you at Dabiq.

Firstly is that I have never what you say I am fond of repeating, you won't find that posted by me.

Secondly this was in response to a statement about interpretation and that the manual is at fault. I was just using this as an example that the Koran "manual" is no more toxic than the bible "manual" which, given that we have very few if any Christian terrorists around, reinforces the point that it's not the manual at fault as you state but the interpretation at fault.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Secondly this was in response to a statement about interpretation and that the manual is at fault. I was just using this as an example that the Koran "manual" is no more toxic than the bible "manual" which, given that we have very few if any Christian terrorists around, reinforces the point that it's not the manual at fault as you state but the interpretation at fault.

Would probably argue that the Koran is more "toxic", apparently contains 109 verses inciting Muslims to kill non-believers.

Can't both manuals be at fault? It's just that one group of adherents is more lacking in discretion than the other.

 

[Sintiger]

Would probably argue that the Koran is more "toxic", apparently contains 109 verses inciting Muslims to kill non-believers.

Can't both manuals be at fault? It's just that one group of adherents is more lacking in discretion than the other.

ever read the Old Testament ? I am no great advocate for either or indeed any religion or book but I am firmly of the belief that the vast majority of Muslims adhere to the statement of a Muslim witness to the stabbing in London yesterday.

" you ain't no Muslim bro "

They take the ancient writings of violence in th Koran the same way as many Christians take calls for violence in the bible.

You are the one who is intimating there is something inherently evil in the religion not me. My statement has always been that it is not the problem of the religion to the Koran it is the interpretation of a few.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

You are the one who is intimating there is something inherently evil in the religion not me. My statement has always been that it is not the problem of the religion to the Koran it is the interpretation of a few.

Yeah there's something wrong with the religion when people can justify what the likes of IS are doing by quoting verbatim from its sacred text. I can't even claim the Koran is being misinterpreted. It says what is says.

Islam is a religion that is out of control.

 

[SpaceAce]

Yeah there's something wrong with the religion when people can justify what the likes of IS are doing by quoting verbatim from its sacred text. I can't even claim the Koran is being misinterpreted. It says what is says.

Islam is a religion that is out of control.

What we are witnessing is a rise in the orthodox 7th century brand of Islam, which today is manifest as Wahabism.
The vast majority of Muslims practice a diluted and moderate version of the religion, most have no idea about the barbaric and militant origins of their religion.