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Talkin’ Tactics 2020

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1-2-1 after four rounds.

not ideal, especially in a short season.

we are fundamentally at a disadvantage with the shorter quarters. going back through the majority of our wins 2017-19, they were grinders. rarely emphatic in terms of belting. more comfortable wins that were modest but somehow inevitable.

moreover, changes to personnel has taken away from our identity.

who are we in 2020? Ellis is gone, Rioli and several others are out of form. our core runners look well below their best, and that’s a critical failure.

finally, if our core runners fail to work both ways, our forwards are left to look mighty silly. Jack, in particular, looks jaded. Slow. It’s about time we used him differently. But more on that in a second.

2020 will slide away from us very, very quickly if we don’t do something significant to wrest back momentum. If I was Damien Hardwick, I’d consider a change in tactics. If I was Dimma, I’d look at those short quarters, and the way others have been winning, and look to play classic footy. Centre clearances and stoppages, control the air ball both ways.

what does this mean personnel wise?

two rucks and the gruntiest midfield roster we can muster.

Nank and Soldo fighting like dogs to give us first use.

Cotchin, Martin, Prestia, Ross, Graham, Higgins, Edwards.

constantly put pressure on the oppo miss through first use. This is a complete turnaround to how we normally roll out.

the turnover game as we know it is dead, at least in 2020.

key priority now should be first use. Failing that, we should be looking to stop wasting resources in winning the ball back through frenetic grind.

we should win it back in defence, through aerial superiority. Grub, astbury, vlastuin and the rucks.

Midfield wise, get in tight specialists and stop sweating on the spread. Get the *smile* thing first and send it long if space is denied.

I would play lynch and CCJ/Balta along with Caddy and Riewoldt as flankers. Send it in quick and long to the hot spot to exploit 6-6-6 and pile on scoreboard pressure.

can you imagine how jack might appreciate being played as third tall?

Nank/Soldo can drift back as required or provide wing options. Our strongest wins last season came when they were performing these roles.

importantly, I don’t think our grinding game, founded as it is on endurance, pressure and meticulous preparation is gonna cut it in this chaotic, disjointed season. What you appear to need this season is strong ballistic footy from the outset. That’s never really been our go 2017-19.

I also think the players would appreciate a change of direction. A freshener. They’ve worked so hard that I reckon they deserve a change-up. Doesn’t need to be forever. Every year brings a new campaign, a new challenge to overcome.

In many ways footy in 2020 is like playing in a telephone box. Congestion wise and also with the shorter quarters.

play the talls. Give away the expansive grind that will not work in 2020.

surprise the oppo like we did in 2017.

except this time we have a premiership roster to work with.
 
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In many ways footy in 2020 is like playing in a telephone box. Congestion wise and also with the shorter quarters.
This is what I have noticed most, it's like a rugby scrum, and there seems to be massive backline flooding again.

Also, umpiring has been ordinary since the return, not calling holding the ball or incorrect disposal and protected area seems a thing of the past
 
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The big fault to your plan that the "Turnover game is dead" is that turnovers are still the highest scoring source in the competition.
 
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The big fault to your plan that the "Turnover game is dead" is that turnovers are still the highest scoring source in the competition.

There isn’t one kind of turnover. There’s forward, mid, defensive turnovers. Aerial turnovers, pressure turnovers. Squeezes, presses.

our brand of turnover, based on the available evidence, appears to be dead.

we need to change our focus, where all the effort is going.

if our running contingent is well down, then we should concentrate on other strengths. Some of them as yet undiscovered.
 
The issue for me is skill.

I tend to ignore a lot of your "tactics" changes after you wanted us to give the season up and completely change what we were doing after we were flogged by the Saints in 2017.
 
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The issue for me is skill.

I tend to ignore a lot of your "tactics" changes after you wanted us to give the season up and completely change what we were doing after we were flogged by the Saints in 2017.

Sure. I ain’t no expert.
 
1-2-1 after four rounds.

not ideal, especially in a short season.

we are fundamentally at a disadvantage with the shorter quarters. going back through the majority of our wins 2017-19, they were grinders. rarely emphatic in terms of belting. more comfortable wins that were modest but somehow inevitable.

moreover, changes to personnel has taken away from our identity.

who are we in 2020? Ellis is gone, Rioli and several others are out of form. our core runners look well below their best, and that’s a critical failure.

finally, if our core runners fail to work both ways, our forwards are left to look mighty silly. Jack, in particular, looks jaded. Slow. It’s about time we used him differently. But more on that in a second.

2020 will slide away from us very, very quickly if we don’t do something significant to wrest back momentum. If I was Damien Hardwick, I’d consider a change in tactics. If I was Dimma, I’d look at those short quarters, and the way others have been winning, and look to play classic footy. Centre clearances and stoppages, control the air ball both ways.

what does this mean personnel wise?

two rucks and the gruntiest midfield roster we can muster.

Nank and Soldo fighting like dogs to give us first use.

Cotchin, Martin, Prestia, Ross, Graham, Higgins, Edwards.

constantly put pressure on the oppo miss through first use. This is a complete turnaround to how we normally roll out.

the turnover game as we know it is dead, at least in 2020.

key priority now should be first use. Failing that, we should be looking to stop wasting resources in winning the ball back through frenetic grind.

we should win it back in defence, through aerial superiority. Grub, astbury, vlastuin and the rucks.

Midfield wise, get in tight specialists and stop sweating on the spread. Get the *smile* thing first and send it long if space is denied.

I would play lynch and CCJ/Balta along with Caddy and Riewoldt as flankers. Send it in quick and long to the hot spot to exploit 6-6-6 and pile on scoreboard pressure.

can you imagine how jack might appreciate being played as third tall?

Nank/Soldo can drift back as required or provide wing options. Our strongest wins last season came when they were performing these roles.

importantly, I don’t think our grinding game, founded as it is on endurance, pressure and meticulous preparation is gonna cut it in this chaotic, disjointed season. What you appear to need this season is strong ballistic footy from the outset. That’s never really been our go 2017-19.

I also think the players would appreciate a change of direction. A freshener. They’ve worked so hard that I reckon they deserve a change-up. Doesn’t need to be forever. Every year brings a new campaign, a new challenge to overcome.

In many ways footy in 2020 is like playing in a telephone box. Congestion wise and also with the shorter quarters.

play the talls. Give away the expansive grind that will not work in 2020.

surprise the oppo like we did in 2017.

except this time we have a premiership roster to work with.
Spot on - great piece of analysis. Game has changed again in 2020.
 
I personally don't think we need to over react. We have been forced into rushing the ball forward as our handball game hasn't been running as well.

If you break down the games, just from watching the Pies game we dominated pretty much the last 3 quarters and should have probably won, won the I50 count by 12
The Hawthorn game our skills let us down, again won the inside 50 count by 8. Tonight, similarly we won the I50 count by 1. The issue isn't that we aren't winning the ball, we have been ok, but the disposal coming out of winning the ball has not been at the level of the last 3 years. Some of the handballs we have delivered in the last 3 weeks, you wouldn't expect to see in Under 12's and as this is such a massive part of our game, it makes it really difficult to be able to get that good ball use going inside 50.

We don't need to tear up the gameplan, its not the gameplan that is failing, its the execution of our skills that is not enabling our gameplan to be executed at the level is should.

I haven't seen any team handle the ball as badly as we have for the last 3 games this year.
 
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I personally don't think we need to over react. We have been forced into rushing the ball forward as our handball game hasn't been running as well.

If you break down the games, just from watching the Pies game we dominated pretty much the last 3 quarters and should have probably won, won the I50 count by 12
The Hawthorn game our skills let us down, again won the inside 50 count by 8. Tonight, similarly we won the I50 count by 1. The issue isn't that we aren't winning the ball, we have been ok, but the disposal coming out of winning the ball has not been at the level of the last 3 years. Some of the handballs we have delivered in the last 3 weeks, you wouldn't expect to see in Under 12's and as this is such a massive part of our game, it makes it really difficult to be able to get that good ball use going inside 50.

We don't need to tear up the gameplan, its not the gameplan that is failing, its the execution of our skills that is not enabling our gameplan to be executed at the level is should.

I haven't seen any team handle the ball as badly as we have for the last 3 games this year.

I don’t necessarily disagree with this. we are demonstrably rusty.

but I don’t think you’re giving other teams enough credit.

plus, this season is too short to start grinding out successive wins in the nick of time, like we did last year.

we just don’t have that margin for error in 2020. What we need is quicker starts and a brand of footy to facilitate that.
 
The big fault to your plan that the "Turnover game is dead" is that turnovers are still the highest scoring source in the competition.
The issue is we are on the receiving end.
 
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We don't need to tear up the gameplan, its not the gameplan that is failing, its the execution of our skills that is not enabling our gameplan to be executed at the level is should.

I haven't seen any team handle the ball as badly as we have for the last 3 games this year.

Yeh it’s like watching the suns from 2019. Deplorable skills. The saints cashed in on some I’ll discipline and woeful skills.
 
The issue for me is attitude. And desire. Our players look like they don't want it anymore.

I'm not sure that was evident today. Its hard when we aren't there as you can't see whether the defensive running off the ball is similar to last year but I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

For me some of the skill errors were awful. Prestia was a great example, I reckon he was trying just as hard as he has in the past, but his kicking has gone back to his worst and not the JDM winning season we saw last year.
 
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I'm not sure that was evident today. Its hard when we aren't there as you can't see whether the defensive running off the ball is similar to last year but I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

For me some of the skill errors were awful. Prestia was a great example, I reckon he was trying just as hard as he has in the past, but his kicking has gone back to his worst and not the JDM winning season we saw last year.
I'm not disagreeing about the skill level at all. It's been really poor. But I think the lack of real effort and desire is contributing to that.

The attitude is not anywhere near where it should be and it's infecting every part of the team's game. We've just been smashed by two very ordinary teams. That is not the RFC from 2017-19. Our skill level has not dropped off as far as it is showing since we one the GF by 89 points.

Something deeper is going on.
 
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I agree. It's effort, maybe frustration causing a lack of discipline in playing to our system. Skills are shyte also.

Fixable but running out of time.
 
If I can't be assed watching the games, imagine what it is like for these guys. Probably feels like a scratch match to them and they would be constantly worried about covid. Even Ansett cup games had crowds. I don't know that's all I can come up with :D
 
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Have we ever been a 'skilled' side?
We were for 3 years a pressure based side. We fed off opposition mistakes.
The crew that forged the pressure have all fallen into a hole.
Castagna no influence
Lambert Mr Invisible
Lynch & Jack, are there 2 other forwards in the comp slower?
Prestia & Martin have booked holiday's in October.
Big V and Grimes aren't cutting off the opposition ball because there's no pressure on the opposition player bringing in the ball.
Edwards, Rioli and Stack have gone backwards.
We haven't got any depth in the midfield, its Martin or nothing.
Maybe its time for Hardwick to look for the new Generation.
We properly need 4 to 5 new faces to reinvigor our game.
 
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Have we ever been a 'skilled' side?
We were for 3 years a pressure based side. We fed off opposition mistakes.
The crew that forged the pressure have all fallen into a hole.
Castagna no influence
Lambert Mr Invisible
Lynch & Jack, are there 2 other forwards in the comp slower?
Prestia & Martin have booked holiday's in October.
Big V and Grimes aren't cutting off the opposition ball because there's no pressure on the opposition player bringing in the ball.
Edwards, Rioli and Stack have gone backwards.
We haven't got any depth in the midfield, its Martin or nothing.
Maybe its time for Hardwick to look for the new Generation.
We properly need 4 to 5 new faces to reinvigor our game.

I think our forward handball game is breathtaking at times, but I know what you’re saying Zips.

we aren’t really a skillful team in the classic style of say GWS or WC
 
I think our forward handball game is breathtaking at times, but I know what you’re saying Zips.

we aren’t really a skillful team in the classic style of say GWS or WC

Those handball's that are missing the target today were hitting the target for the last 3 years.
The oppostion haven't worked us out, where out of fuel.
Where a car with a flat tyre.
We are a plane without a wing.
We are a tiger without the teeth.
We are a shark without the fin.
We are a Rex without the T.
 
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