Sydney shows how to make hard decisions.

[The tooth]

Actually, if I can follow on with this point.

The biggest reason Richmond has languished for near on 30 years has nothing to do with recruiting, holding onto certain players for a year or two too long, player development, culture or anything else.

It is simply about too much chopping and changing. Every few years there's a new broom sweeping through the place. New administration, new coach, new players, out with the old, in with the new, fresh start, new game plan, new style of footy.

Players are given three year contracts one year and are traded or paid out the next. They are integral to the team and then they find themselves on the outer six weks later. New coach comes in, boots out five players in their prime and starts again. We are copying Sydney one year, Geelong the next, trying to implement a cluster one season and a full-court press the next.

Until the Richmond Football Club finds its identity and sticks with it, this will keep happening. They would be well-served in identifying the players already on the list who can take them forward and nurturing them through thick and thin, instead of just until the next change in direction. That is what Sydney have done well.

It's a bit easier to have that cohesiveness in direction (like Sydney) when you have a modicum of success on the field. Every move just ends up looking good. I think sticking with Wallace for 5 years shows that we have gotten the message about staying with a plan. We just need the right management and cattle to execute the plan...

I think the number one problem we have has been our woeful recruiting. The deficiciencies in development end up accentuating our poor choices. Picking the right players, doing the right deals, retiring players at the right time - these are the crucial things for us to nail. We can't seem to get deals done - this is the next frontier for us. How nice would it have been to get something for Simmo or Brown a year or two ago? Or trade *smile* to Port for a second rounder or whatever the mooted deal was. We need to be more aggressive in this area - and realise that where we're at is needing to develop a young list from a low base and that we do have some players that may suit clubs that are in a different window. If you're aggressive sat the trade table, you may get some right, some wrong, but at least you're moving

I don't think Sydney is a model we should be tempted to emulate. They appear to get the best out of players recycled from other other clubs due to their strong culture, good discipline. leadership and coaching. Our model needs to be based on picking well at draft time (a la Hawthorn and the Pelican) and build a dynasty with pure talent from the ground up. The current lack of culture, self-belief and confidence is not currently the right environment to develop marginal players from other clubs to their potential. Sydney could do that. That opportunity will come if we get a core of talent. I can only hope that we have the right people and structure in recruitment now and that they get every crack at actually making use of our available picks over the next few years. We should be the team trading players out for picks, not vice versa

 

[mopsy fraser]

[quote author= TOT70]
The biggest reason Richmond has languished for near on 30 years has nothing to do with recruiting,holding onto certain players for a year or two too long, player development, culture or anything else.It is simply about too much chopping and changing. Every few years there's a new broom sweeping through the place. New administration, new coach, new players, out with the old, in with the new, fresh start, new game plan, new style of footy.[/quote]

nothing to do with recruiting!

you`re not serious are you?


the last 2 coaches and administrations have both had 5 years.

 

[pahoffm]

Just as a rider on this thread,

In the last 15 months, the Tiges' have moved on:
1. Football Manger, Greg Miller / Craig Cameron,
2. Senior Coach, Terry Wallace / ?, and
3. CEO, Steve Wright / Brendon Gale.
(Boot-studder beware!)

The Swans have hit their downturn but appear to be working through it methodically.

The turning over of 3 major positions at the Tiges' in just over a year leads to some concern.

Hopefully we will have some stability from now on.

With stability comes trust & confidence, the two staples of improving culture.

 

[Tiger74]

Just as a rider on this thread,

In the last 15 months, the Tiges' have moved on:
1. Football Manger, Greg Miller / Craig Cameron,
2. Senior Coach, Terry Wallace / ?, and
3. CEO, Steve Wright / Brendon Gale.
(Boot-studder beware!)

The Swans have hit their downturn but appear to be working through it methodically.

The turning over of 3 major positions at the Tiges' in just over a year leads to some concern.

Hopefully we will have some stability from now on.

With stability comes trust & confidence, the two staples of improving culture.

given Wright was unavoidable (medical), are you saying we were wrong to move on Miller and Wallace?

 

[BillyJean17]

There is a lot of merit in this opening post, quite a bit of it resonates. Some of it doesn't.

What is the difference between Sydney retiring Hall 32, Fosdike 29, O'Laughlin 32, Barrry 31 and Crouch 31, when compared to Richmond retiring Johnson 31, Bowden 31 and very likely Brown 31 and Simmonds 31? I know your point is that you feel Richmond should have done this 12 months ago. Sydney could have retired their lot 12 months ago too but chose not to in an attempt to make finals this year, just like Richmond did.

Of the "near-twighliters" like Pettifer, Coughlan and Tuck, Sydney have significantly more of these players on their list, and they will retain most, unlike Richmond. Ablett, Bevan, Buchanan, both Boltons, Goodes, Jolley, O'Keeffe, LRT, Richards, Shaw and Mattner will all be there next season.

So they want to replace Kirk with Jackson? Do they not read Punt Road End? Maybe some of our players have greater value than we might think? I'd hold on to Jackson because the Kirk comparison is a valid one, certainly the Swans can see it and they are experts in identifying contested footballers.

The only older players who will get a gig at the new Richmond next year are likely to be Richardson, Cousins, Newman and probably Tuck. There won't be anyone else over 25, unless they recruit them specifically. I doubt Sydney will cut that deep.

well said I thought the OP was a bit of a dorothy dixer for mine... :

 

[pahoffm]

given Wright was unavoidable (medical), are you saying we were wrong to move on Miller and Wallace?

Personally, I'm sceptical about Steven moving on for medical reasons. He looked very healthy the last time I saw him. But that's something we can reflect on in the future. (Make sure you've always got a plan B.)

Greg & Terry went for clear reason - lack of success over each of their tenures.

Just saying I hope things steady a bit after a far bit of change in a short time.

 

[Brodders17]

Personally, I'm sceptical about Steven moving on for medical reasons. He looked very healthy the last time I saw him. But that's something we can reflect on in the future. (Make sure you've always got a plan B.)

Greg & Terry went for clear reason - lack of success over each of their tenures.

Just saying I hope things steady a bit after a far bit of change in a short time.

how long were miller and wallace both around for?

 

[IanG]

Personally, I'm sceptical about Steven moving on for medical reasons. He looked very healthy the last time I saw him.

Well he's staying on as a consultant so he can't have left for another position. And his medical problem is well known.

 

[pahoffm]

how long were miller and wallace both around for?

Miller - 7 years.

Wallace - 5.

Both certainly had plenty of time to succeed.

As said, hopefully when these changes are made things settle for a time.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Actually, if I can follow on with this point.

The biggest reason Richmond has languished for near on 30 years has nothing to do with recruiting, holding onto certain players for a year or two too long, player development, culture or anything else.

It is simply about too much chopping and changing.

:headscratch

 

[TigerForce]

Miller - 7 years.

Wallace - 5.

Both certainly had plenty of time to succeed.

As said, hopefully when these changes are made things settle for a time.

Commission needed. This was worse than 9/11.