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Sydney shows how to make hard decisions.

pahoffm

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Mar 24, 2004
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It has been interesting to observe the movements of the Sydney Swans this year.

At the start of rge season the Swans were showing that they're finals window had come to an end.

Over the last 10 years, their junior recruiting had fallen behind the pack with early draft picks traded away for experienced players from other clubs.
We also appreciate that the trading of an early draft picks for Hall, from StKilda, Bolton, from Brisbane, and Jolley, the developing Melbourne ruckman, were crucial to their last premiership in 2005. The Swans first since 1933.

This year has seen some interesting developments at Sydney.

We've seen the Sydney admin make a long term decision regarding the coaching position, allowing a steady transfer of the role from Paul Roos to John Longmire over the next 12 months.

The players know exactly where they are heading. There is no uncertainty. No speculation. Everyone of their junior to mature players gets on with the job.

The other aspect is in their list management.

The Sydney admin has chosen to bite the bullet of transformation actively.

So far, we have already heard the retirement announcements of Nic Fosdike 29, Barry Hall 32yo, Michael O'Loughlin 32, Leo Barry 31 & Jared Crouch 31.

There is word that Brett Kirk 32 is being held on for one more year in a similar leadership role to that of North's Adam Simpson in 2009. But that may change if they are successful in recruiting current developing Tiger tagger, Daniel Jackson 22.

Lessons may be learnt by the Tigers who failed to put in a succession plan for Wallace's eventual departure, which has consequently left the football and coaching staff in another quandary about the future.

The Tigers' coaching decision is now down to the last two, and may go either way, but questions need to be asked if a 'real' progressive and successive coaching structure is being built. Whether who wins between Hardwick & Hinkley, the Tigers' need to plan for what comes after that decision, 5 to 10 years down the track. Something it has continually failed in.

The other aspect is with its list.
Early in the season we saw the Tigers' confronted with another set of 'Gaspar' decisions relating to their post-twilight players - ex-captain Kane Johnson 31, Bowden 30, Brown 31, Richardson 34 & Simmonds 30. Also, a decision on 2009 recruit Ben Cousins 30 is pending on the new coach.

Also, the Tigers have a group of near twilight players - Coughlan 26, Pettifer 27, & Tuck 27 - who've had far from an optimal season.

With that comes developing players who have yet to show that they are up to AFL standard. King 25 has the hardness but possibly not the skills. Hughes 22 and Oakley-Nicholls 21 have been major disappointments. And 23yo Jay Schulz, whom the club persevered with when it lost the TAC as a major sponsor in 2004, showed a bit in defence in 2008 but has shown very little in the position he was recruited for, as a key forward.

Also, the RFC carries much anxiety over its recruiting of Bulldog Jordan McMahon in 2007, currently 25yo, which cost them a 2nd round pick that eventually found its way to Westcoast who used it on the 4th Selwood boy, Scott 18yo. This week we finally see ex-Power marginal midfielder Adam Thomson play his first game. He was recruited at a cost of pick #42 in the 2008 National Draft, which was used by the Bulldogs on junior Mitch Banner 18yo, although Banner is yet to play AFL.

For the Tiges there are lessons to be learnt.
But don't we say that every year.

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I think he did.

But the point of Phantos post is relevant.

This club continues to get it wrong.
 
Ward , Selwood, Pears - one of the 3 .......just enhances the ridiculousness and *smile* poor ineptness of the RFC footy department.

Hideous incompetance.
 
Some could say the Tigers wont allow their players to leave, even the *smile* ones they just keep re signing em, the Tigers show more benevolence to the poor and downtrodden and hopeless than the Salvos, Red Cross and RSPCA put together. ;D
 
craig said:
Ward , Selwood, Pears - one of the 3 .......just enhances the ridiculousness and p!ss poor ineptness of the RFC footy department.

Hideous incompetance.

Unforgivable.

GO TIGES!!!
 
They have had a few retirements hardly making hard decisions. Hall if he hadn't had major brain fade syndrome would still be playing wasn't a hard call to make either.

Until after the draft we do not know what we have done in regards to delisting and trading so to compare what Sydney have done this year and what we have done well we are equal both have had players retire and that is all.
 
craig said:
Some could say the Tigers wont allow their players to leave, even the sh!t ones they just keep re signing em, the Tigers show more benevolence to the poor and downtrodden and hopeless than the Salvos, Red Cross and RSPCA put together. ;D

Exactly.

My sister and her partner are Swans supporters and its refreshing the lack of angst there is when some of their stars retire. There's sadness but a realisation that their club needs to move forward.
 
Phantom said:
There is word that Brett Kirk 32 is being held on for one more year in a similar leadership role to that of North's Adam Simpson in 2009. But that may change if they are successful in recruiting current developing Tiger tagger, Daniel Jackson 22.

im surprised that no one has mentioned sydneys interest in jackson, what would sydney give up? surely at a min a 2nd rounder
 
There is a lot of merit in this opening post, quite a bit of it resonates. Some of it doesn't.

What is the difference between Sydney retiring Hall 32, Fosdike 29, O'Laughlin 32, Barrry 31 and Crouch 31, when compared to Richmond retiring Johnson 31, Bowden 31 and very likely Brown 31 and Simmonds 31? I know your point is that you feel Richmond should have done this 12 months ago. Sydney could have retired their lot 12 months ago too but chose not to in an attempt to make finals this year, just like Richmond did.

Of the "near-twighliters" like Pettifer, Coughlan and Tuck, Sydney have significantly more of these players on their list, and they will retain most, unlike Richmond. Ablett, Bevan, Buchanan, both Boltons, Goodes, Jolley, O'Keeffe, LRT, Richards, Shaw and Mattner will all be there next season.

So they want to replace Kirk with Jackson? Do they not read Punt Road End? Maybe some of our players have greater value than we might think? I'd hold on to Jackson because the Kirk comparison is a valid one, certainly the Swans can see it and they are experts in identifying contested footballers.

The only older players who will get a gig at the new Richmond next year are likely to be Richardson, Cousins, Newman and probably Tuck. There won't be anyone else over 25, unless they recruit them specifically. I doubt Sydney will cut that deep.
 
Actually, if I can follow on with this point.

The biggest reason Richmond has languished for near on 30 years has nothing to do with recruiting, holding onto certain players for a year or two too long, player development, culture or anything else.

It is simply about too much chopping and changing. Every few years there's a new broom sweeping through the place. New administration, new coach, new players, out with the old, in with the new, fresh start, new game plan, new style of footy.

Players are given three year contracts one year and are traded or paid out the next. They are integral to the team and then they find themselves on the outer six weks later. New coach comes in, boots out five players in their prime and starts again. We are copying Sydney one year, Geelong the next, trying to implement a cluster one season and a full-court press the next.

Until the Richmond Football Club finds its identity and sticks with it, this will keep happening. They would be well-served in identifying the players already on the list who can take them forward and nurturing them through thick and thin, instead of just until the next change in direction. That is what Sydney have done well.
 
TOT70 said:
So they want to replace Kirk with Jackson? Do they not read Punt Road End? Maybe some of our players have greater value than we might think? I'd hold on to Jackson because the Kirk comparison is a valid one, certainly the Swans can see it and they are experts in identifying contested footballers.

The only older players who will get a gig at the new Richmond next year are likely to be Richardson, Cousins, Newman and probably Tuck. There won't be anyone else over 25, unless they recruit them specifically. I doubt Sydney will cut that deep.

TOT, i and many others have said in the past that u cant keep all of tuck, jackson and white in the team, all 3 are hard at it but dont have the neccessary skill level to hurt the opposition, i do think we should keep at least 1, if sydney want jackson more so for being a tagger and inside player then thats fine they would most likely give up their 2nd rounder for him...

Tuck id trade too for a 2nd rounder or 3rd rounder due to his age...

White id keep as that run with player, jackson does it better BTW but white wont command a 2nd round pic as jackson would maybe not even a 3rd rounder at this minute, can see improvement in white as he becomes more of senior player...
 
AstuteTiger said:
im surprised that no one has mentioned sydneys interest in jackson, what would sydney give up? surely at a min a 2nd rounder

It has been mentioned on the rumours board.
 
AstuteTiger said:
TOT, i and many others have said in the past that u cant keep all of tuck, jackson and white in the team, all 3 are hard at it but dont have the neccessary skill level to hurt the opposition, i do think we should keep at least 1, if sydney want jackson more so for being a tagger and inside player then thats fine they would most likely give up their 2nd rounder for him...

Tuck id trade too for a 2nd rounder or 3rd rounder due to his age...

White id keep as that run with player, jackson does it better BTW but white wont command a 2nd round pic as jackson would maybe not even a 3rd rounder at this minute, can see improvement in white as he becomes more of senior player...

Yet Sydney have no problem with ALL of Kirk, J Bolton, Crouch, Moore, Jack, Bird and Ablett, in the same team. You're looking for 22 champions who will guarantee a premiership and think you will get them by giving up all your foot-soldiers. It won't happen.

We should be looking for 3 or 4 champions and thirty-five foot-soldiers. Hang on to the foot-soldiers.