Support for BLM

[Coburgtiger]

Pretty clearly this poll shows this issue does not fall along party lines.

To get such a significant majority for the compassionate option is rare in a political poll.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Pretty clearly this poll shows this issue does not fall along party lines.

To get such a significant majority for the compassionate option is rare in a political poll.

I'd say it's a reflection of how people perceive BLM and/or its relevance to footy. If the question was "Do you condone racism" there would be very few Yes votes.

 

[DavidSSS]

That would be an individual political stance, then. The club supported the war effort and donated gate takings through this period towards it while resisting considerable public pressure to shut down.

As for "dog whistling"... the poll question wasn't loaded, and no explanations of opinions were canvassed. Some chose to explain their position and it was done without anyone getting overheated. The poll result - 66/34, or 2 for/1 against - is consistent with a poll on another forum. I consider it a useful exercise and depending on developments, it might be interesting to conduct another poll down the track.

Do you just make this up? Do you ever do any research?

There was patriotic call to end the 1915 season after round 1 (also at around the same time as the Gallipoli landing). The inner city working class football teams: Carlton, Collingwood, Fitzroy and Richmond opposed the end of the season. This was very clearly a political stance. Religion was, is and always will be political, especially in the context of Catholic Ireland's occupation by the UK and the Irish attempts to gain independence.

This thread is a dog whistle, obvious from the start.

DS

 

[Brodders17]

Do you just make this up? Do you ever do any research?

There was patriotic call to end the 1915 season after round 1 (also at around the same time as the Gallipoli landing). The inner city working class football teams: Carlton, Collingwood, Fitzroy and Richmond opposed the end of the season. This was very clearly a political stance. Religion was, is and always will be political, especially in the context of Catholic Ireland's occupation by the UK and the Irish attempts to gain independence.

This thread is a dog whistle, obvious from the start.

DS

one could argue standing for the national anthem is political, as is respecting Anzac Day, but no one complains about that.

 

[DavidSSS]

one could argue standing for the national anthem is political, as is respecting Anzac Day, but no one complains about that.

I remember people deliberately sitting down for the national anthem (in the standing room too) when it was played at finals in the 1970s.

ANZAC Day has changed a lot in my lifetime too. A very interesting (if very long, over 20 parts from memory) perspective on WWI can be got from the documentary made by the BBC, ABC and SABC (South African Broadcasting Commission) in the late 1960s on the 50th anniversary of the end of WWI. What is really obvious is that there is a lot less of the barracking patriotism we see now - not coincidentally a lot of WWI vets were alive and interviewed then.

In 1915 The Truth asked why Toorak was urging the toiler to go off to battle and asking why not ask the Tennis Toffs and Golfing Gawks. Clearly there was a difference of opinion on whether Australia should be involved in WWI and this spilled over into debate over whether the football should continue.

But I digress.

All lives will only matter when black lives matter.

DS

 

[Baloo]

The *smile* that posted a picture of a Chimp and abused Eddie Betts racially (I don't know what he said) is precisely the sort of *smile* the players BLM protests are trying to stop.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

The *smile* that posted a picture of a Chimp and abused Eddie Betts racially (I don't know what he said) is precisely the sort of *smile* the players BLM protests are trying to stop.

Should be simple enough to identify the person and shame them publicly... if they exist.

You actually think taking a knee reaches someone that far gone?

 

[tigerdell]

Why is this on the footy page?

 

[Baloo]

Should be simple enough to identify the person and shame them publicly... if they exist.

You actually think taking a knee reaches someone that far gone?

Maybe not, but it might stop someone, or many, from thinking about doing it in the future.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Maybe not, but it might stop someone, or many, from thinking about doing it in the future.

People within the normal range of IQ don't do that. It was almost... too obvious.

Anyway I'm going to jump out of this thread. It's served its purpose.

 

[Baloo]

People within the normal range of IQ don't do that. It was almost... too obvious.

Anyway I'm going to jump out of this thread. It's served its purpose.

Adults maybe. But plenty of young teens have been caught doing it. They're the impressionable ones that can be educated.

 

[Sir]

Do you just make this up? Do you ever do any research?

This thread is a dog whistle, obvious from the start.

DS

Really?

Thanks DavidSSS,

Perhaps you should remove one S and come clean.

LeetoRainestoRoach - Thanks for at least asking the question and seeking a poll.

TBH - it's been a mostly civil discussion and everyone is entitled to their viewpoint.

I note that only 94 persons replied - so - its fair to say it can't be used as any sort of measurement that (might) reflect the broader RFC supporter base thinking (in my myopic world not a single 'fan' (caveat - that I know) supported the stance. Indeed it's been several days of open mocking.

Ignorant fools!

Surely the 2016 US election and 2019 AUS election have made us very wary of "polls" (not that was ever your intent - I know it wasn't).

............ the reason the 'silent minority/majority' don't respond to polls is once again beautifully captured by Peanuts (attached).

Can you guess which character represent the ilk of CoburgTiger and DavidSSS?

Damn! .......... I'm 'dog whistling' again

Here's to Tigers smashing the Hawks on Thursday and hopefully moving on from being distracted by political agenda.

 

[DavidSSS]

Should be simple enough to identify the person and shame them publicly... if they exist.

You actually think taking a knee reaches someone that far gone?

If they exist?

FFS you wonder why you get crap when you post that?

DS

 

[kyuss]

Really?

Thanks DavidSSS,

Perhaps you should remove one S and come clean.

LeetoRainestoRoach - Thanks for at least asking the question and seeking a poll.

TBH - it's been a mostly civil discussion and everyone is entitled to their viewpoint.

I note that only 94 persons replied - so - its fair to say it can't be used as any sort of measurement that (might) reflect the broader RFC supporter base thinking (in my myopic world not a single 'fan' (caveat - that I know) supported the stance. Indeed it's been several days of open mocking.

Ignorant fools!

Surely the 2016 US election and 2019 AUS election have made us very wary of "polls" (not that was ever your intent - I know it wasn't).

............ the reason the 'silent minority/majority' don't respond to polls is once again beautifully captured by Peanuts (attached).

Can you guess which character represent the ilk of CoburgTiger and DavidSSS?

Damn! .......... I'm 'dog whistling' again

Here's to Tigers smashing the Hawks on Thursday and hopefully moving on from being distracted by political agenda.

Is that peanuts cartoon serious?? If so what a dumb cartoon.
I've come across a few people that have told me they're over the black lives matter thing. All of them middle class white men, funny that.

 

[tigertim]

Is that peanuts cartoon serious?? If so what a dumb cartoon.

Yeah, there’s a few going round. The one using “burning houses/all houses“ analogy to “black lives/all lives” is equally dumb.

 

[Giardiasis]

Is that peanuts cartoon serious?? If so what a dumb cartoon.
I've come across a few people that have told me they're over the black lives matter thing. All of them middle class white men, funny that.

Yeah who would have thought that a movement that tells middle class white men that they are oppressors and the beneficiaries of unearned privilege finds it unpalatable to middle class white men?

 

[kyuss]

Yeah who would have thought that a movement that tells middle class white men that they are oppressors and the beneficiaries of unearned privilege finds it unpalatable to middle class white men?

It doesn't at all though. If you aren't a racist it's got nothing to do with you.

 

[Giardiasis]

It doesn't at all though. If you aren't a racist it's got nothing to do with you.

I’m sorry, are we on planet Earth right now? Haven’t you heard of the concept of white privilege and patriarchy? It is classic Marxian exploitation theory that has morphed from the proletariat vs bourgeois to black/woman/trans/homosexual vs white heterosexual males. That is the theory that BLM is based on.

 

[kyuss]

I’m sorry, are we on planet Earth right now? Haven’t you heard of the concept of white privilege and patriarchy? It is classic Marxian exploitation theory that has morphed from the proletariat vs bourgeois to black/woman/trans/homosexual vs white heterosexual males. That is the theory that BLM is based on.

Well I'm a white heterosexual male and I don't feel threatened at all by it. Guess I'm not the paranoid type .

 

[DavidSSS]

Are you seriously saying that there is no prejudice against blacks and gays and that women are treated equally to men?

It ain't Marxism, it's just bleedingly obvious. Then again, I suppose some need a bogey man to blame for everything, it is a nice simple way to see the world which seems to suit some.

DS