Everytime I think he might make a difference for the Bears I remember his body is made of plywood and glue.
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Yeah I don't know where the Port love in has come from either.
They are on the tipping point, don't win it this year, they will start to tip over and have to rebuild again. Look at how many of their best 22 are over 30.
Boak - 32
Dixon - 30
Gray - 32
Hartlett - 30
Jonas - 30
Motlop - 30
Rockliff - 31
7 of their best 22. They are Geelong MK2.
We have 5 btw,
Astbury (30) - kind of been replaced by Balta, but playing the extra defensive rotation instead of a 2nd ruck, reckon that will change this year with CCJ
Cotch (30)
Edwards (32) - Looks and plays like he is 10 years younger, won't be retiring anytime soon
Houli (32) - Probably won't play much this year and will retire at year end. Short and Bakes getting to where they are offset this
Jack (32) - Our biggest issue
I guess Port got to a kick of winning the prelim against us so tbh they were pretty close (although we did control the last qtr) - closer than the cats.
Like us they have class with their youth and some class with their old brigade - a decent midfield that like to play hard physical footy which stacks up in finals and a decent coach.
I can see them as a big threat if we draw an away final against them again but if we both make the grannie at the G, it will be ours to lose.
From all the other teams, I see them as our biggest threat. The cats nah - there best chance to beat us in a final was in 2017, since then not even close after we gave then a 3-4 goal head start to boot.
Ummmmm. Within a kick of drawing the Prelim. They'd have needed two kicks to win.
Six more scoring shots in crap conditions, we should have slapped the prancers, dancers n tupperware tough guys.
Peeps be quick to forget how many home games they got last year, if they ever had it served up on a silver platter, 2020 was the year. Still probably biggest threat this year and they will still be a goal a quarter down on their best day in September
I tend to agree that they will be our closest challengers largely because a lot of other teams have their own issues. Port also have a fairly easy draw which is crazy bearing in mind they finished top last year, but if you look at their results against the best teams last year they don't stack up well. They get a very good % but thats largely because they beat up on the teams at the bottom.
If you look at the wins both Port and Richmond had against teams in the bottom 8, Port won 6 with an average margin of 41 and we won 5 of 6 with those 5 having an average winning margin of 27. Pundits just look at overall % and go Port are great, but they gain almost all of it from the weaker teams.
If you ignore finals, Port had a margin of 316 points, of which they gained 244 from the teams in the bottom 8.
Whilst they are a tough team, and always make sure people know they have been in a contest, their ball use is well below some of the other teams.
Even if you look at our final against them last year, they were +14 in inside 50's but we had 6 more scoring shots. Their midfielders have little class. Losing SPP will probably be a help for them not a hindrance as they can bring someone in who can actually kick the ball.
They had a decent win rate away from Adelaide Oval, but they played very few of those at their home grounds. They away results are definitely going to come under pressure this year.
No doubt though they will get their "redemption" on us, much like Adelaide did in 2018 and the Giants did in 2020, not that it did much for them in those seasons.
I think it’s great that no-one rates us. The longer it continues, the better.
Only Jack’s cousin will come out in support, especially when we’re 7th at the turn, having managed our senior players while getting games into kids and practicing our positional adjustments.
Our season doesn’t start until round 12, but the dumb *smile* media will just write us off at every opportunity.
Only Jack’s cousin will come out in support, especially when we’re 7th at the turn, having managed our senior players while getting games into kids and practicing our positional adjustments.
Our season doesn’t start until round 12, but the dumb *smile* media will just write us off at every opportunity.
You'll like the crystal ball predictions on the AFL website then Midsy.
Can't work out if they are trying to be funny.
I had a look before I posted. I’m happy they don’t rate us - long may it continue.
Brisbane have done it again.
First it was Fev and now they have spent 800k @4 yrs to pick up the most injury prone footballer.
If they couldn't win it last year, they have no chance this year.
Very ordinary team.
Rendall struggles to put a sentence together.
Who gives a *smile* what that thinks?
Don't look at these 18 year old Turkey's prediction.
Try and get more then $4 bucks us making the GF and more then $6 bucks to win it.
Check who the punters are backing.
It's us, then daylight
Snippet from today's HS where every team is discussed.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...m/news-story/132ecb7e7ba684c3d0153f320c7ab7d5
ROBINSON: Can they make it four from five?
MONTAGNA: It’s as simple as how hungry are they? Are their bellies full or do they still have the desire to go again? That’s all it comes down to with Richmond. If they’re hungry to chase more success, they’ll be there when the whips are cracking. It’s probably a good question for Jordan. How hungry can you be when you’ve won three out of four?
LEWIS: You are in a sense relying on early season performance that can fuel that desire. Or if you see things slipping away and you’re not performing at your best, then you’re really relying on the individual to try and generate that some other way. They’ve still got the names on paper that perform on big occasions. The year they didn’t win it in 2018 I think was a valuable lesson in timing their run.
ROBINSON: Will Jack Riewoldt play 22 games this year, Kingy?
KING: Jack will play if he’s fit because Dimma is going to play him. He’s not going to take him out of the team for no reason and Jack will want to perform better than he was. But in the big games, in credit and fairness to him, he’s performed when they’ve needed it most. I think the biggest challenge for the competition is, like it or not, Damien Hardwick has designed a game plan that other coaches are either too stubborn to go away from theirs to counteract. At the moment, when they take control of a game and get momentum, the scoreboard flows. The challenge for other coaches now is to work out what to do with Dustin Martin. How do they play against him, particularly in big games? Because we’ve never seen a finals player like him.
RIEWOLDT: He’s the outlier though. How many times do you do a Richmond game and Dusty almost gets the three votes by default sometimes? Because you look through the Richmond players and wonder, ‘Who’s actually played well for them, yet they’ve still won?’ The prelim final was incredible. They have more off nights and end up winning the game of footy more than any other team I think in history. It’s the system that gets them through. I’m staggered so few teams have tried to adopt their system. So many teams want to control the ball, but Richmond has its own brand and it’s unique. I can’t believe the lack of copycats trying to do the same thing because it stands up.
ROBINSON: Opposition clubs are looking at Richmond and wondering, ‘How do we stop them?’ Is it about stopping Dusty? Would you be able to come up with a way?
LEWIS: I’d want my team to deny them the ball and to deny them chaos. That is easier said than done, but I think the difference between Richmond and Geelong is their belief and self-confidence is huge. When things aren’t going well they stick at it.
KING: Denis Pagan used to have a saying where he thought the hardest players to coach were those who have had success because they all know everything. As long as pawns are happy to play like pawns on the chess board for the Tigers, they’ll be fine. But as soon as a couple of them think, ‘I can do more than this’, that’s when the trouble will come. Outside of that, they’ve got a great club.
ROBINSON: Verdict?
LEWIS: I see them from fourth to sixth. You can’t measure the hunger for another tilt at it when sides are coming at you again. Every year becomes harder.
MONTAGNA: Yeah, I’ve got them fourth to sixth. I just think there are teams that should be hungrier and should play a style of footy that should be ahead of them in the home and away season.
RIEWOLDT: I still have them top four. They’ll be there and the same thing will happen again. It’ll be midway through the year and their odds will blow right out because they’ll be sitting fifth or sixth, and when the whips get cracking they’ll time their run again and have another shot at it.
KING: Until I can see a team take away the way Richmond plays, I’m going to stick with them.
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Weird discussion for mine. They are obviously dwelling on Riewoldt's form being off and looking to pounce on him. This is everything that's wrong with modern footy journalism.
N.Riewoldt's take staggers me. Even as an advocate for the club, he falls into the trap of "the system gets them the wins". He can't seriously believe we have no stars other than Martin. Does he really think we played poorly in the prelim?
Still a lack of respect, and more damning, comprehension.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...m/news-story/132ecb7e7ba684c3d0153f320c7ab7d5
RICHMOND
ROBINSON: Can they make it four from five?
MONTAGNA: It’s as simple as how hungry are they? Are their bellies full or do they still have the desire to go again? That’s all it comes down to with Richmond. If they’re hungry to chase more success, they’ll be there when the whips are cracking. It’s probably a good question for Jordan. How hungry can you be when you’ve won three out of four?
LEWIS: You are in a sense relying on early season performance that can fuel that desire. Or if you see things slipping away and you’re not performing at your best, then you’re really relying on the individual to try and generate that some other way. They’ve still got the names on paper that perform on big occasions. The year they didn’t win it in 2018 I think was a valuable lesson in timing their run.
ROBINSON: Will Jack Riewoldt play 22 games this year, Kingy?
KING: Jack will play if he’s fit because Dimma is going to play him. He’s not going to take him out of the team for no reason and Jack will want to perform better than he was. But in the big games, in credit and fairness to him, he’s performed when they’ve needed it most. I think the biggest challenge for the competition is, like it or not, Damien Hardwick has designed a game plan that other coaches are either too stubborn to go away from theirs to counteract. At the moment, when they take control of a game and get momentum, the scoreboard flows. The challenge for other coaches now is to work out what to do with Dustin Martin. How do they play against him, particularly in big games? Because we’ve never seen a finals player like him.
RIEWOLDT: He’s the outlier though. How many times do you do a Richmond game and Dusty almost gets the three votes by default sometimes? Because you look through the Richmond players and wonder, ‘Who’s actually played well for them, yet they’ve still won?’ The prelim final was incredible. They have more off nights and end up winning the game of footy more than any other team I think in history. It’s the system that gets them through. I’m staggered so few teams have tried to adopt their system. So many teams want to control the ball, but Richmond has its own brand and it’s unique. I can’t believe the lack of copycats trying to do the same thing because it stands up.
ROBINSON: Opposition clubs are looking at Richmond and wondering, ‘How do we stop them?’ Is it about stopping Dusty? Would you be able to come up with a way?
LEWIS: I’d want my team to deny them the ball and to deny them chaos. That is easier said than done, but I think the difference between Richmond and Geelong is their belief and self-confidence is huge. When things aren’t going well they stick at it.
KING: Denis Pagan used to have a saying where he thought the hardest players to coach were those who have had success because they all know everything. As long as pawns are happy to play like pawns on the chess board for the Tigers, they’ll be fine. But as soon as a couple of them think, ‘I can do more than this’, that’s when the trouble will come. Outside of that, they’ve got a great club.
ROBINSON: Verdict?
LEWIS: I see them from fourth to sixth. You can’t measure the hunger for another tilt at it when sides are coming at you again. Every year becomes harder.
MONTAGNA: Yeah, I’ve got them fourth to sixth. I just think there are teams that should be hungrier and should play a style of footy that should be ahead of them in the home and away season.
RIEWOLDT: I still have them top four. They’ll be there and the same thing will happen again. It’ll be midway through the year and their odds will blow right out because they’ll be sitting fifth or sixth, and when the whips get cracking they’ll time their run again and have another shot at it.
KING: Until I can see a team take away the way Richmond plays, I’m going to stick with them.
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Weird discussion for mine. They are obviously dwelling on Riewoldt's form being off and looking to pounce on him. This is everything that's wrong with modern footy journalism.
N.Riewoldt's take staggers me. Even as an advocate for the club, he falls into the trap of "the system gets them the wins". He can't seriously believe we have no stars other than Martin. Does he really think we played poorly in the prelim?
Still a lack of respect, and more damning, comprehension.
Wow for once David King makes some sense - something these people in the media fail to realise is until there is a game plan out there that actually stands up against ours (when it actually counts) then we are the team to beat. It’s all good that the cats and power and saints have picked up some handy recruits etc but at the end of the day if the game plan falls short against ours then good luck to you.
Personally I feel as confident as I ever have about this year. I think there is an opportunity there that rarely comes along ... to be possibly the best ever. That is something that will never become an opportunity for most players. Most would never get a look at it. I think this will spur this side. Dusty would want to be the best in the best side ever. No doubt.
Personally I feel as confident as I ever have about this year. I think there is an opportunity there that rarely comes along ... to be possibly the best ever. That is something that will never become an opportunity for most players. Most would never get a look at it. I think this will spur this side. Dusty would want to be the best in the best side ever. No doubt.
Lack of comprehension from the nuff nuffs.
Still...yes stilll...think the way to beat us is to deny us the ball.
Every team has tried that and failed because they in turn cannot score enough to win.
To beat us needs playing our style better than us....you have to have the cattle and system.
No one has it yet.
We are still 5 or more goals better than the next team which is Cats.
Away from home Port and Lions will not beat us.
Still...yes stilll...think the way to beat us is to deny us the ball.
Every team has tried that and failed because they in turn cannot score enough to win.
To beat us needs playing our style better than us....you have to have the cattle and system.
No one has it yet.
We are still 5 or more goals better than the next team which is Cats.
Away from home Port and Lions will not beat us.
Riewoldt seems to imply we win games that we don’t deserve to win. The prelim was the only game that could possibly fit that description, and we were steadier at the death. The GWS game could easily have gone our way, though.
Bit disappointed in this sloppy commentary from an outsider who previously appeared to “get” Richmond.
Bit disappointed in this sloppy commentary from an outsider who previously appeared to “get” Richmond.
We can win games even when playing poorly I think he means.
Our system and stars get us over the line sometimes.
It is a sign of a top side that wins even when being beaten much of the game...means we are never out of a contest...witness our repeated wins over Cats from behind.
Our system and stars get us over the line sometimes.
It is a sign of a top side that wins even when being beaten much of the game...means we are never out of a contest...witness our repeated wins over Cats from behind.
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