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Spying on Indonesian President and wife

Michael said:
No reason, thought I might have been unaware of some other factor.

I'm not a whizz at geography but I'd punt PNG or Timor would be between us and Indonesia
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Well they are all there or thereabouts, but depends where you want to draw the line from. Bali is due north of Perth. Timor Leste is due north of Darwin. PNG is due north of the east coast of Australia. Indonesia occupies most of the space to the north of Australia though, from Irian Jaya right across to Java. Christmas Island is due south of Java and Jakarta, and is the closest point of Australia to any neighbour.

All this is moot though really - Indonesia's real importance to us is in terms of its trade, politics, strategic alliances as well as its geographic proximity.

Nothing illustrates this more perfectly than the current farce over spying and people smuggling. We need Indonesian cooperation on people smugglers. We need Indonesian cooperation on local (SE Asian terrorism). If we don't have good relations with the Indonesian government, we won't get this cooperation.
 
Indonesia suspends cooperation on people smuggling as Tony Abbott expresses 'deep and sincere' regret over spy reports
By Indonesia correspondent George Roberts, staff

Indonesian president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono says all military and intelligence cooperation with Australia is on hold until he gets a proper explanation as to why Australian spies tried to tap his phone.

Speaking in Jakarta today, an angry Mr Yudhoyono said Indonesia was suspending cooperation on people-smuggling issues, including combined maritime patrols.

And he said he was writing to Prime Minister Tony Abbott to demand an official explanation on why Australian spies monitored his phone and those of members of his inner circle, including his wife.

Mr Abbott later told the House of Representatives that he would be writing back "swiftly, fully and courteously" because "that is overwhelmingly in the interests of both our countries."

Earlier in Jakarta Mr Yudhoyono asked why he had been targeted, saying: "We are not enemies ... it is very serious."

Indonesian F-16 jets
PHOTO: Exercises now on hold: Indonesian F16 jets prepare to take off for joint training exercises with the RAAF in Darwin earlier on Wednesday (ABC News: Mark Di Stefano)
"I will instruct [officials] to halt exchange of information and exchange of intelligence among our two countries," he said.

"I also instruct and request that we stop for the meantime joint training programs between Australian and Indonesian militaries - army, navy and air force, and other joint operations between those militaries.

"I instruct this to be halted for the meantime, until all this clears up.

"It is not possible that we can continue our cooperation when we are still uncertain that there is no spying towards us, spying towards our soldiers."

However, the president says he wants to maintain good relations with Australia once the issue is resolved.

"In the eyes of Indonesia - in the eyes of all of us - the people of Australia, they truly want to have a true friendship and to have a good relationship between them and the people Indonesia," he said.

But he added that a new, legally-binding "code of conduct" would be needed in order to continue cooperation in the future.
 
Am I the only one here who has been locked up by the cops in Indonesia? :hihi
 
Tones should send me over as a diplomatic relations exercise. I've got some blackmail material on them.
 
Apparently Indonesia has championed our place in ASEAN, against the attempts of countries like Malaysia to kick us out.
 
INDONESIA says it doesn't spy on Australia; but it did once, according to a former Indonesian intelligence chief.

In a 2004 interview, retiring Indonesian intelligence chief General Abdullah Mahmud Hendropriyono said his agency tapped Australian civil and military communications and politicians' phone calls.

It also made unsuccessful attempts to recruit Australian spies, he said.

General Hendropriyono, who headed the Badan Intelijen Negara under president Megawati Soekarnoputri's government, said it was well known both sides tapped each other's communications during the East Timor crisis.

"We want to know what is really discussed about us," he told Nine's Sunday program.

"We can say this is a public secret. You know, secret but the whole public knows. This is quite common intelligence activity."

General Hendropriyono said he presumed Australia did the same thing to Indonesia. "She is silly if she doesn't do that, you know."

He said Indonesian intelligence had "almost, but not yet", been able to recruit Australian assets for of supply confidential information.

General Hendropriyono claimed the spying had ended because Indonesia and Jakarta now faced a common enemy in global terrorism.

Tony Abbott yesterday played down allegations Australia eavesdropped the mobile phone calls of Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, saying "all governments gather information".

But Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natelegawa issued a blunt rebuttal.

"Well I have news for you. We don't do it. We certainly should not be doing it amongst friends," he said.



- See more at: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/indonesia-spied-on-australia-in-2004-says-ex-intelligence-chief/story-fn59nm2j-
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Of course they don't......
 
willo said:
But Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natelegawa issued a blunt rebuttal.

"Well I have news for you. We don't do it. We certainly should not be doing it


Of course they don't......
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Yeah, find that hard to believe.
 
We Australians have a lot more to be angry about than the Indonesians and have been treated like fools when it comes to the illegal arrivals.
I wish Abbott would put the cards on the table, fight fire with fire and say that this is what we know, the police the army and politicians are all in on the boat people trade.
 
tigerman said:
We Australians have a lot more to be angry about than the Indonesians and have been treated like fools when it comes to the illegal arrivals.
I wish Abbott would put the cards on the table, fight fire with fire and say that this is what we know, the police the army and politicians are all in on the boat people trade.
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I'm not sure that that would improve the situation.
 
tigerman said:
We Australians have a lot more to be angry about than the Indonesians and have been treated like fools when it comes to the illegal arrivals.
I wish Abbott would put the cards on the table, fight fire with fire and say that this is what we know, the police the army and politicians are all in on the boat people trade.
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Yeah, it would be nice if the Indos could just hang on to all those refugees for us, we have our own first world problems.
 
Azza said:
I'm not sure that that would improve the situation.
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I'm not sure it would either, but after giving them $1 Billion after the Tsnunami and $60 million dollars every year in aid, maybe we should let them know exactly what we know.
 
Azza said:
Enough hints Rosy! Spill it!!
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My b/f and I were arrested in Jakarta many years ago. The jail was full so we were taken to the sleazy cop's house. He shunted his wife behind a curtain with a heap of other family members. We had to sleep in his bed and he laid on the floor beside us making it obvious he'd appreciate a bit of entertainment.
 
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