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Set Shots on Goal

Redford

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Happy we won on Friday, but a couple of repeats of the same thing that I’ve been seeing for a long time now have me very frustrated.

………..how it is that our coaching staff continues to allow (or possibly encourages or instructs) 3 players in particular – Hall, Richo and Schulz – to take these ridiculously long run ups when kicking for goal ? Honestly, it is an indictment on this hopeless coaching panel.

For 2 or 3 years now I have been watching Ray Hall almost fall over at the point where he has to kick the football.

All 3 of them completely lose their balance because of these ridiculously long run-ups. Schulz is actually a half reasonable shot on goal, but some loser off the coaching panel now has him taking a 40 yard run up to the point where the ball is moving all over the place before he kicks it.

You try running in a straight line with a football in both hands for 35-40 yards – your arms will naturally (and by logic) want to move all over the place to aid in your running. And of course, what that does is cause the ball to move all over the bloody place such that it becomes extremely difficult to guide it down directly over the kicking foot. The result is these bizarre, inept kicks off the boot that are more askew than a speed camera reading !

All the great set shot goal kickers keep their balance. Most take no more than 8 or 9 steps that are just a walk to a jog type of pace. Not these bloody stupid 30-40 yard sprints that Ray Hall takes. Have a look at Lloyd. His approach is so slow and deliberate he’s able to keep his arms very, very steady so that the ball NEVER moves around in his approach to the kick. It’s always right over his left foot.

And if anyone tries to tell me the reason is because these players find kicking goals on the run a lot easier hence they get them to use the same approach, let me say that kicking for goal on the run is completely different than taking a set shot. Firstly, you usually carry the ball rather than hold it over your kicking leg. Secondly, most players ease off just before they kick it i.e. slow down the last couple of steps to get their balance anyway. And thirdly, you will find that the proportion of goals kicked on the run from 40 metres or more (the typical distance Hall, Schulz and Richo find themselves kicking from) is actually less than those taken with a set shot that uses the proper approach anyway.

Finally, besides all of the above, the fact of the matter is that these 3 blokes are missing shots with this dumb approach from short distances – a clear indicator it just doesn’t work.

For God’s sake, can’t we get Plugger Lockett or someone down to the club to teach these blokes the correct approach – not some half baked idea to mask their real problems ? I know we had Peter Hudson down there a couple of years ago but these 3 blokes seem to either need continual training/reminding in the art, or it’s the deadsh*it coaching staff who keep filling their minds with incorrect and stupid techniques.

Memo to coaching staff: balance and timing is the key to set shots on goal. 30-40 yard bloody run-ups where you are required to keep your arms steady can not promote balance and timing, you morons !!!
 
You could probably add Brown to the dodgy set shot brigade too.

A couple of years ago people on the message boards discussed how all our goals were from set shots and none from general play.

We miss far too many set shots now and a lot of them are very easy shots. It's too costly and needs to be addressed.
 
Another problem with Richo is he hooks just before kicking the ball too.He also comes in that fast he forgets to stop and runs way too close to the guy on the mark and kicks sand-wedges sky high with no distance and penetration.
 
Accepting the fact that we have underskilled individuals who are always going to be dodgy kicks and thus miss their fair share of set shots, I can't believe we don't have them using a fundamental technique at least !!! Geez !!!
 
Redford said:
Accepting the fact that we have underskilled individuals who are always going to be dodgy kicks and thus miss their fair share of set shots, I can't believe we don't have them using a fundamental technique at least !!! Geez !!!


As negligent as no ruckcoach Redfin :mad:
 
bit harsh on ray hall.i dont have the stats etc but i believe his actual strike rate isnt that bad as far as shots at goal.why try fix something that isnt broken?

both richo and tivendale suffer from the hook shot syndrome.both are better shots when they actually throw their foot across the body.but when they have straight shots it goes against the "grain" so to speak.
 
Great point redford but do you think you could change the title to Set Shots AT Goal, or even Set Shots AT THE goals. This on goal stuff has been permeated by James Brayshaw and now everyone's getting in on the act.

It's just a phrase that really irritates me - as does the word catch in lieu of mark.
 
jb03 said:
Great point redford but do you think you could change the title to Set Shots AT Goal, or even Set Shots AT THE goals.  This on goal stuff has been permeated by James Brayshaw and now everyone's getting in on the act.

It's just a phrase that really irritates me - as does the word catch in lieu of mark.

Yeah, you're right JB. "On goal" is an Americanism that is a bit annoying, I must admit.

(I'm influenced by the fact I am a huge US sports fan - follow the MLB and NFL with a heap of interest and passion - so I apologise for using "on" instead of "at.")
 
Agree Redford.

My old man played for the dogs eons ago (late 50's,). When he was teaching me how to kick as a little dude, the basics where the same as you pointed out - especially about the hands wobbling all over the joint. By the time you drop the ball to kick, it should just be a guide down to the boot. Why are they making it harder than it has to be? With a simple, smooth technique you can concentrate on where the ball is going AFTER it leaves the boot and not worrying about it BEFORE it even gets on the boot.

Do we need Plugger to teach us something that everyone knew over 40 years ago?
 
My point exactly Big Mac. I was taught the same thing.

I had Peter Hudson as a coach and every forward line player was guided by these very fundamentals that we both agree upon.

As I say, I reckon its an indictment on the coaching panel's capacity to do there job properly. It's just basic..basic stuff.
 
Fine work Redmazda.I notice e even Ottens is taking a longer run up these days.RFC Get a kicking coach and a ruck coach and get em fast!
 
evo said:
Fine work Redmazda.I notice e even Ottens is taking a longer run up these days.RFC Get a kicking coach and a ruck coach and get em fast!

"Redmazda". Not bad Evo-lution. Not bad.

Whilst it isn't red, I actually drive a Mazda, so good work.
 
Redford said:
………..how it is that our coaching staff continues to allow (or possibly encourages or instructs) 3 players in particular  – Hall, Richo and Schulz – to take these ridiculously long run ups when kicking for goal ?

Richo seemed to take this to extremes last season. I would be surprised if anyone could kick goals consistently with the approach he had last year.
 
Some players need their techniques monitored/altered/corrected, but I for one don't think that Richo is one!

When he first played for RFC he didn't have too much trouble kicking goals, because no emphasis was put on the fact the he didn't have a good style.

I s#!ts he to tears when it is insisted that you have to look good to be good - some of the best players in the league have "dodgy" techniques when disposing of the ball, yet they are still effective.

Richo should have been left well alone to use his natural kicking style, but it's too late now becasue not even he can remember what that is.........
 
Apprently Michael Roach, who was on the caoch pre-season was asked this very question but inr egards to Richo. He claimed the club had not spoken to him for about 5 years (not even now) and he had helped Richo improve his kickin' . He did claim though Richo has an inherent problem with his right foot(he didn't eleborate), and a technical fault he has had since a junior & near impossible to fix. He also claimed hasn't been asked since either to go back...

I thought this was amazing especially now his kid is playing for RFC. We should have him involved if his business commitments were not to great. Deos anyone know if he has been asked since pre-season to come back and help?
 
Jim Jess, Bruce Tempany & Michael Roach were all prodigious & accurate kicks in the 80's.
Surely anyone of these guys would be willing/able to assist with the current playing groups foot skills.
 
Kane Pettifer could teach some of our senior regulars how to kick for goal.

In the Coburg match he kicked a goal from outside 50 in the wet and windy conditions with ease. I would put Kane as the best kick for goal in the entire team.
 
Harry said:
Kane Pettifer could teach some of our senior regulars how to kick for goal.

In the Coburg match he kicked a goal from outside 50 in the wet and windy conditions with ease.  I would put Kane as the best kick for goal in the entire team.

Pity he can't get a kick when he plays in the one's.
Or an oppurtunity to spend time in one position on the ground.
He'll be the great enigma, he never got the oppurtunities to show if he could REALLY play.
He was good last year off the HBF against the Bombers, but spent the next week on the bench, anf the week after he's back with Coburg.
 
Harry said:
Kane Pettifer could teach some of our senior regulars how to kick for goal.

In the Coburg match he kicked a goal from outside 50 in the wet and windy conditions with ease.  I would put Kane as the best kick for goal in the entire team.


Yeah, just make sure there are no shadows lurking nearby to frighten his pants off when taking aim