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Anduril said:Liverpool the PM is NOT Head of State, so no every child cannot aspire to be H of S. You are continually posting about others not being Aussie enough or acting with Aus'n values yet you are quite happy to have an Englishwoman/man as Headof State.
As for telling me I'm not happy with my life here and life is unbearable for me. How on Earth would you know? Childish and churlish comment to say the least. :
Considering I never said that our PM is our head-of-state, then maybe you should read my post more carefully?
I also didn't TELL you that you're not happy, I ASKED if your life was that unbearable by having the Queen on the other side of the planet.
Well, is it?
Anduril said:
Actually, there is nothing in the Consitution that refers to a "head of state".
* For practical purposes the Head of State of Australia is the Governor-General.
* Section 2 of the Constitution describes the Governor-General as the Queen's representative in Australia.
* Section 2 of the Constitution also provides that the Governor-General is appointed by the Queen, retains office during her pleasure and exercises such powers and functions of the Queen as Her Majesty may be pleased to assign to him.
* In relation to the prerogative powers [ie. powers over foreign affairs, such as making treaties, appointing diplomats and declaring war], while the Governor-General may act in the name of the Queen, the powers and functions are exercised by him/her as part of his/her duties as Governor-General. While the Governor-General may report to the Queen, the Queen is not involved, and has not interfered, in decisions that the Governor-General makes.
* Under section 61 of the Constitution, the executive power of the Commonwealth is exercisable by the Governor-General not the Queen.
* Neither the Constitution nor the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act actually refer to the Queen as the Head of State.
* The Governor-General is usually regarded when travelling overseas as Australia's Head of State.
Anduril said:
He is....Major General Jeffrey:
http://www.australianpolitics.com/news/2003/06/03-06-22b.shtml
Anduril said:
He is appointed by the Queen, on advice from our PM....so not by birth, but by merit and what our PM deems is good for the country.
Anduril said:
I'll give you that one..... ;D
Anduril said:
Sir William Deane was of Catholic origin and Zelmann Cowen was a Jew.
Anduril said:
Interesting page...a few posters might find this one interesting too:
http://www.ausconstitution.org/aust_head_of_state.php
Tigers of Old said:
An ace straight down the middle to win the game! 8)
Sorry to butt in on the Red House and your armed forces ;D but:
Who is Australia's Head of State?
Australia is a constitutional monarchy and in accordance with these principles the monarch is considered Australia's Head of State. The Governor-General is not the Head of State of Australia, but a representative of the Queen in Australia.
"Her Majesty is Australia's Head of State ... I am her representative"
Governor-General His Excellency Major General Michael Jeffery, 6 November 2004
http://www.republic.org.au/ARM-2001/q&a/qa_headofstateindex.htm
Who is Australia's Head of State?
Australia is a constitutional monarchy and in accordance with these principles the monarch is considered Australia's Head of State. The Governor-General is not the Head of State of Australia, but a representative of the Queen in Australia.
"Her Majesty is Australia's Head of State ... I am her representative"
Governor-General His Excellency Major General Michael Jeffery, 6 November 2004
http://www.republic.org.au/ARM-2001/q&a/qa_headofstateindex.htm
Redford said:
No, that is incorrect.
The Governor General is her rep, that part is true, but there is nothing in the Constitution that states the Queen/King is our 'head of state'.
That is the official and statutory line.
Anduril states differently, with her source being the pro-republican movement themselves, so to counter and even things up, here is the monarchal version:
1. Fifteen editions of the Commonwealth Government Directory - The Official Guide, from August 1992 to March 1997, described the Governor-General's function officially thus: 'He is the Head of State".
2. That no valid reason for its seemingly unauthorised removal on 16 December 1996 by Deputy Official Secretary Carol Summerhayes has been produced.
3. That the publication to which we were referred by republican Professor George Winterton, the respected Constitutional expert and appointed delegate to the 1998 Constitutional Convention,:
From 'The Blackwell Encyclopedia of Political Institutions' the world authority on these matters by Vernon Bogdanor from Oxford offers the following:
- a. 'According to the WESTMINSTER MODEL, the HEAD OF STATE appoints the party leader most capable of securing the confidence of parliament.' (p.269) Comment: In Australia, our Governor-General appoints the party leader (the Prime Minister). The Queen, not being Head of State has no such function.
- b. The Head of State, usually a MONARCH or president, is the person to whom foreign envoys present their credentials.' (p.270) Comment: In Australia's case such credentials are always presented to our Australian Governor-General - our Australian Head of State, not to a 'Monarch or President'.
c. 'In federal parliamentary systems there may be state governors (as in Australia and India) or provincial lieutenant-governors (as in Canada) who also act in normal times as formal Heads of State.' (p.271)
So it is unchallengeable that:
(i) our Australian Head of State is the Governor-General, and
(ii) that our State Governors are also Heads of their own State. This was further confirmed by NSW Premier, Mr Bob Carr, in a speech to Parliament farewelling Governor Samuels when he said 'the Governor is the Head of State in NSW' (NSW Hansard 28 February 2001 page 12026). Therefore logically it is unarguable that all State Governors are Head of State in their own State.
4. The Concise Encyclopedia of Australia says 'The Governor General…is the Head of State'.
5. Sir David Smith, a person of unequalled experience in this matter, provides 'incontrovertible evidence of the fact that we have an Australian Head of State and that it is the Governor-General.'
6. That the Hon. Richard McGarvie, former Justice of the Victorian Supreme Court, former Governor of Victoria and a senior appointee to the 1998 Con Con in Canberra describes the Governor-General as 'the operative Head of State'.
7. That, when representing Australia abroad, our Governor-General always travels as, and is accepted as, Head of State. This is always as is expected by our Government.
8. Even ARM Chair Greg Barns, in the Australian 10 April 2001, agrees the Governor-General is our Head of State - 6 times
http://www.norepublic.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=336&Itemid=4
Tigers of Old said:There's been a protest. Looks like Andy's going home with the title.
You give up too easy mate....I've come back from 2 sets down to win it in 5! :hihi
