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PRE Phantom Draft 2013
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Tigermad2005 said:
Sorry maddie you missed the deadline unfortunately (see post #309). The players you had pm'd me previously were already taken before your last selections.
GWS
Pick #1 - Tom Boyd
I don't think I need to analyse Boyd at pick 1.
Pick #2 - James Aish
This is who I'd have taken at pick 2. Has some knocks on his inside game but IMO he's only very outside because he's so good at it and so damaging plus the shoulder injury. Absolute class player. Though I currently have moved Sheed to 2 on my rankings and Aish down to 4 but it's close.
Pick #14 - Blake Acres
Really nice pick-up for GWS to add some genuine height to their midfield and is a good replacement for Tyson IMO. Though due to injury he played more outside and as a utility, over time he should develop into a Freo type inside mid. Another guy who I have sneaking into my top 10. Another class act.
Pick #29 - Nick Bourke
I think this is about where Bourke should sit in the real thing but I have a feeling he will probably last beyond 40 as he has a few holes in his game, mainly the contested side to his game and whether he gets enough footy. But, he also has some huge weapons and that is what I think teams should be looking at this draft. He's a lovely kick, strong overhead, moves really well and looks like he should fill out to a great size. Whilst he doesn't get a lot of it, he has hurt factor which some other guys around this area don't have. Gutsy pick but I like it.
Pick #48 - Darcy Lang
I think a few had this kid under the radar a bit in the hope of seeing him slide through. Really tough kid, with nice skills and provides some nice dash. The opposite to Bourke I think he will actually go 2nd round.
Pick #76 - Nick Holman
Holman is a kid that really caught my eye against NT at the Champs with a fantastic 1st quarter. He's a great size already and can play a variety of positions. One thing that lets him down is he rushes his disposal at times and whilst I haven't seen his DE% I'd imagine it's quite low, but he's a nice enough kick when he takes his time. Just needs to improve his composure.
Overall
I think GWS have nailed this draft. Was hard not to with pick 1 & 2 but I can't fault any picks here. The last 3 I'd be happy with at Richmond with pick 50 if any of them last.
Pick #1 - Tom Boyd
I don't think I need to analyse Boyd at pick 1.
Pick #2 - James Aish
This is who I'd have taken at pick 2. Has some knocks on his inside game but IMO he's only very outside because he's so good at it and so damaging plus the shoulder injury. Absolute class player. Though I currently have moved Sheed to 2 on my rankings and Aish down to 4 but it's close.
Pick #14 - Blake Acres
Really nice pick-up for GWS to add some genuine height to their midfield and is a good replacement for Tyson IMO. Though due to injury he played more outside and as a utility, over time he should develop into a Freo type inside mid. Another guy who I have sneaking into my top 10. Another class act.
Pick #29 - Nick Bourke
I think this is about where Bourke should sit in the real thing but I have a feeling he will probably last beyond 40 as he has a few holes in his game, mainly the contested side to his game and whether he gets enough footy. But, he also has some huge weapons and that is what I think teams should be looking at this draft. He's a lovely kick, strong overhead, moves really well and looks like he should fill out to a great size. Whilst he doesn't get a lot of it, he has hurt factor which some other guys around this area don't have. Gutsy pick but I like it.
Pick #48 - Darcy Lang
I think a few had this kid under the radar a bit in the hope of seeing him slide through. Really tough kid, with nice skills and provides some nice dash. The opposite to Bourke I think he will actually go 2nd round.
Pick #76 - Nick Holman
Holman is a kid that really caught my eye against NT at the Champs with a fantastic 1st quarter. He's a great size already and can play a variety of positions. One thing that lets him down is he rushes his disposal at times and whilst I haven't seen his DE% I'd imagine it's quite low, but he's a nice enough kick when he takes his time. Just needs to improve his composure.
Overall
I think GWS have nailed this draft. Was hard not to with pick 1 & 2 but I can't fault any picks here. The last 3 I'd be happy with at Richmond with pick 50 if any of them last.
HAWTHORN
Pick #24 - Michael Apeness
I can't buy into this kid yet. Happy to be proven wrong in the long run and this is probably where he goes on draft day but for me he has a lot of weaknesses. First of all is he a ruck or a forward. I think he will have to make it as a forward due to his lack of a tank. His athleticism I find is pretty poor, he's kind of slow and not a great jump on him. I'm just not feeling it with Apeness at all.
Pick #38 - Patrick Cripps
No way anyone is getting Cripps at 38 in the real deal. I have him currently in my top 20 and ahead of Nathan Freeman as a prospect. This would probably be the bargain of the draft. Big, strong, skilful and smart. I think this kid has the potential to become an A-grade inside mid.
Pick #56 - Shane Nelson
Too small and scrappy for mine. Despite his topping of the class at DC in 2011 for kicking test, he is a poor to average kick for mine. Whilst he gets a tonne of the ball in the WAFL he is a bit of a butcher from what I've seen. With such a small frame, he's going to have to play as a wing and at 176cm and ordinary skills I don't think he will make the grade.
Overall
Whilst I don't like 2 of the picks, I think the Hawks have snapped up the bargain of the draft in Cripps at pick 38. He's also a perfect fit for Hawthorn in my eyes. Maybe a Zac Jones at 24 would have been a nice fit for the Hawks to replace Sewell.
Pick #24 - Michael Apeness
I can't buy into this kid yet. Happy to be proven wrong in the long run and this is probably where he goes on draft day but for me he has a lot of weaknesses. First of all is he a ruck or a forward. I think he will have to make it as a forward due to his lack of a tank. His athleticism I find is pretty poor, he's kind of slow and not a great jump on him. I'm just not feeling it with Apeness at all.
Pick #38 - Patrick Cripps
No way anyone is getting Cripps at 38 in the real deal. I have him currently in my top 20 and ahead of Nathan Freeman as a prospect. This would probably be the bargain of the draft. Big, strong, skilful and smart. I think this kid has the potential to become an A-grade inside mid.
Pick #56 - Shane Nelson
Too small and scrappy for mine. Despite his topping of the class at DC in 2011 for kicking test, he is a poor to average kick for mine. Whilst he gets a tonne of the ball in the WAFL he is a bit of a butcher from what I've seen. With such a small frame, he's going to have to play as a wing and at 176cm and ordinary skills I don't think he will make the grade.
Overall
Whilst I don't like 2 of the picks, I think the Hawks have snapped up the bargain of the draft in Cripps at pick 38. He's also a perfect fit for Hawthorn in my eyes. Maybe a Zac Jones at 24 would have been a nice fit for the Hawks to replace Sewell.
MELBOURNE
Ahhh Melbourne. No matter how bad these picks are, they'll be better than the real deal. ;D
Pick #9 - Ben Lennon
Lennon I have at 8 on my board currently so it's a good pick up from a value point of view but I'm not sure Lennon is a great fit for a Melbourne side crying out for genuine midfielders. Personally I'd have gone Salem or Dunstan who I feel are both great fits for the Dees. Having said that I think Lennon will be a very good player except no one will get the ball to him.
Pick #40 - Dwayne Wilson
Another of my personal favourites is now destined for football scrap heap. Dwayne has one of the best kicks in this draft pool. In fact it's probably the best. Very, very damaging. His biggest issue is consistency. Can get over 25 one week and get 10-15 the next.
Pick #57 - Mitch Thorp
Good value here but do Melbourne need another KPF? They desperately need some inside midfielders. Holman probably represented the best value here on a needs basis.
Overall
Some good value picks and all will turn out to be nice pick-ups IMO. My only queries are on how well they fit Melbourne. Other than that, Melbourne would be very happy.
Ahhh Melbourne. No matter how bad these picks are, they'll be better than the real deal. ;D
Pick #9 - Ben Lennon
Lennon I have at 8 on my board currently so it's a good pick up from a value point of view but I'm not sure Lennon is a great fit for a Melbourne side crying out for genuine midfielders. Personally I'd have gone Salem or Dunstan who I feel are both great fits for the Dees. Having said that I think Lennon will be a very good player except no one will get the ball to him.
Pick #40 - Dwayne Wilson
Another of my personal favourites is now destined for football scrap heap. Dwayne has one of the best kicks in this draft pool. In fact it's probably the best. Very, very damaging. His biggest issue is consistency. Can get over 25 one week and get 10-15 the next.
Pick #57 - Mitch Thorp
Good value here but do Melbourne need another KPF? They desperately need some inside midfielders. Holman probably represented the best value here on a needs basis.
Overall
Some good value picks and all will turn out to be nice pick-ups IMO. My only queries are on how well they fit Melbourne. Other than that, Melbourne would be very happy.
NORTH MELBOURNE
Pick #8 - Luke McDonald
No choice involved here. Have him at 3 on my rankings having re-watched his VFL finals.
Pick #30 - Chris Cain
Originally I thought it's a bit early for Cain, but North seem to be going all out for a crack at top 4 with the addition of Dal Santo, so it's probably not a bad pick up.
Pick #47 - Toby Nankervis
Like Apeness, Nankervis is another I just can't get excited about. Having said that at pick 47 in this draft and North having very little ruck depth, I can see the reasoning.
Pick #65 - Sam Heavyside
Astute pick up this late. I really liked Sam last year and although I didn't follow him closely this year, by all accounts has done well. Probably a rookie chance.
Pick #77 - Matt Sully
Out Delaney. In Sully. I like it. I'd take Sully over Tippett personally. Even though Tippett has more runs on the board at state level, Sully is younger and hasn't had the benefit of being in an AFL program yet. Upside is there and IMO probably ends up better than Delaney.
Pick #83 - Willy Rioli
Nice needs pick here. North don't have much in the way of small forwards outside Lindsay and for that reason targeted Betts. Glad to see someone give Rioli a crack. I have a few others ahead of him of similar type but he's definitely worth a late pick as his talent is enormous.
Overall
Pretty decent draft for North with McDonald and Cain ready to go and Nankervis giving them some ruck depth. Sully covers a hole left by Delaney and Rioli could be a star. Can't really argue when you get some ready to go best 22 players and fill some much needed holes.
Pick #8 - Luke McDonald
No choice involved here. Have him at 3 on my rankings having re-watched his VFL finals.
Pick #30 - Chris Cain
Originally I thought it's a bit early for Cain, but North seem to be going all out for a crack at top 4 with the addition of Dal Santo, so it's probably not a bad pick up.
Pick #47 - Toby Nankervis
Like Apeness, Nankervis is another I just can't get excited about. Having said that at pick 47 in this draft and North having very little ruck depth, I can see the reasoning.
Pick #65 - Sam Heavyside
Astute pick up this late. I really liked Sam last year and although I didn't follow him closely this year, by all accounts has done well. Probably a rookie chance.
Pick #77 - Matt Sully
Out Delaney. In Sully. I like it. I'd take Sully over Tippett personally. Even though Tippett has more runs on the board at state level, Sully is younger and hasn't had the benefit of being in an AFL program yet. Upside is there and IMO probably ends up better than Delaney.
Pick #83 - Willy Rioli
Nice needs pick here. North don't have much in the way of small forwards outside Lindsay and for that reason targeted Betts. Glad to see someone give Rioli a crack. I have a few others ahead of him of similar type but he's definitely worth a late pick as his talent is enormous.
Overall
Pretty decent draft for North with McDonald and Cain ready to go and Nankervis giving them some ruck depth. Sully covers a hole left by Delaney and Rioli could be a star. Can't really argue when you get some ready to go best 22 players and fill some much needed holes.
PORT ADELAIDE
Pick #21 - James Battersby
Solid get in the second round. I was really high on Battersby earlier in the year. He's already been performing well at SANFL level, which is a big plus for mine. He's slid down my rankings a bit but not through any fault of his own, more so other guys with a bit more hurt factor going above him.
Pick #45 - Cameron Giles
Bargain here for PA. He still has some work on his defensive game to do. But he did hold down FB for the SA side that won each game. Shame Boyd was out because I would have loved to see how he went on him. Has a really good rebounding game for a KPD so can't see him being here at 45.
Pick #52 - Ben Sokol
Another good get for Port. He's far from the complete package but he has some tools that can be developed into a very good AFL player at the right club. Huge tank, strong overhead and a goal kicking threat. He could turn into a goal kicking midfielder. His skills aren't the best which is my one knock on him but they are ok.
Pick #70 - Matt Fuller
The hidden gem of the draft. Not invited to either combine but there seems to be some interest. Could definitely see Port snapping him up as a rebounding defender with nice size and elite kick. I think he'd be a great fit at Hawthorn as a Guerra type player.
Overall
I think Port have nailed this. Got themselves a good sized KPD for the future, who with his rebounding game could play 3rd tall behind Carlile and Trengove. Also, got a rebounding defender which I think can be a weakness for them especially if Hartlett gets tagged out of a game. Then some hard-working midfield rotation players.
Pick #21 - James Battersby
Solid get in the second round. I was really high on Battersby earlier in the year. He's already been performing well at SANFL level, which is a big plus for mine. He's slid down my rankings a bit but not through any fault of his own, more so other guys with a bit more hurt factor going above him.
Pick #45 - Cameron Giles
Bargain here for PA. He still has some work on his defensive game to do. But he did hold down FB for the SA side that won each game. Shame Boyd was out because I would have loved to see how he went on him. Has a really good rebounding game for a KPD so can't see him being here at 45.
Pick #52 - Ben Sokol
Another good get for Port. He's far from the complete package but he has some tools that can be developed into a very good AFL player at the right club. Huge tank, strong overhead and a goal kicking threat. He could turn into a goal kicking midfielder. His skills aren't the best which is my one knock on him but they are ok.
Pick #70 - Matt Fuller
The hidden gem of the draft. Not invited to either combine but there seems to be some interest. Could definitely see Port snapping him up as a rebounding defender with nice size and elite kick. I think he'd be a great fit at Hawthorn as a Guerra type player.
Overall
I think Port have nailed this. Got themselves a good sized KPD for the future, who with his rebounding game could play 3rd tall behind Carlile and Trengove. Also, got a rebounding defender which I think can be a weakness for them especially if Hartlett gets tagged out of a game. Then some hard-working midfield rotation players.
RICHMOND
Pick #12 - Lewis Taylor
Anyone following the pick 12 thread will know I don't like this pick. Personally I'd have gone Acres, Dunstan, Templeton or Jones.
Pick #50 - Riley Knight
Now is where I like what has been done. Knight is a real competitive beast. Not the greatest skills but they aren't a weakness. He's just solid. He's a bit in the Rory Sloane mould for mine. Nice pick.
Pick #68 - Alex Spina
Bargain. Would be happy with him being available at 50. Not only is he best available here or close to it, he fills a need as that half forward who can rotate midfield and has elite kicking skills that we like.
Pick #86 - Darcy Byrne-Jones
Another bargain here. Really good athlete but also a good footballer. Do we need another rebounding defender? IMO yes we do. Badly. They may already be on the list but we should get another anyway.
Overall
I think on draft night I'll let FJ take the 1st pick and let Bully take the rest. ;D I've said what I have to say on Taylor. The rest would be a fantastic result for us with Knight, Spina and Byrne-Jones. All could very well be gone by our 2nd pick though on the night.
Pick #12 - Lewis Taylor
Anyone following the pick 12 thread will know I don't like this pick. Personally I'd have gone Acres, Dunstan, Templeton or Jones.
Pick #50 - Riley Knight
Now is where I like what has been done. Knight is a real competitive beast. Not the greatest skills but they aren't a weakness. He's just solid. He's a bit in the Rory Sloane mould for mine. Nice pick.
Pick #68 - Alex Spina
Bargain. Would be happy with him being available at 50. Not only is he best available here or close to it, he fills a need as that half forward who can rotate midfield and has elite kicking skills that we like.
Pick #86 - Darcy Byrne-Jones
Another bargain here. Really good athlete but also a good footballer. Do we need another rebounding defender? IMO yes we do. Badly. They may already be on the list but we should get another anyway.
Overall
I think on draft night I'll let FJ take the 1st pick and let Bully take the rest. ;D I've said what I have to say on Taylor. The rest would be a fantastic result for us with Knight, Spina and Byrne-Jones. All could very well be gone by our 2nd pick though on the night.
ST.KILDA
Pick #3 - Josh Kelly
Kelly is one I don't have in my top 10. (11th) He is a really high production junior and he will go high. Probably pick 2. But he is very much a Gaff clone who to me, is a nice player but not a guy I'd use a really high pick on.
Pick #18 - Matt Crouch
I don't have this kid in my rankings. If his last name was Smith I don't think he'd be talked about all that highly. His skills are rubbish, he's slow, he's unfit. What is there to like? Well he averages 37+ possies a game. My issue is that's all well and good but if you turn it over then it's not the best thing to get the ball 37 times.
Pick #19 - Billy Hartung
Another I don't have in my rankings. He has some nice attributes. He's quick, has a huge tank, has nice skills but he's soft as butter, small and apparently a *smile* kid. So with that in mind, I've taken him off my rankings because I wouldn't draft him.
Overall
The 3 guys picked are all picked around where they will go on draft night. Personally I just think there are better options available for St.Kilda.
Pick #3 - Josh Kelly
Kelly is one I don't have in my top 10. (11th) He is a really high production junior and he will go high. Probably pick 2. But he is very much a Gaff clone who to me, is a nice player but not a guy I'd use a really high pick on.
Pick #18 - Matt Crouch
I don't have this kid in my rankings. If his last name was Smith I don't think he'd be talked about all that highly. His skills are rubbish, he's slow, he's unfit. What is there to like? Well he averages 37+ possies a game. My issue is that's all well and good but if you turn it over then it's not the best thing to get the ball 37 times.
Pick #19 - Billy Hartung
Another I don't have in my rankings. He has some nice attributes. He's quick, has a huge tank, has nice skills but he's soft as butter, small and apparently a *smile* kid. So with that in mind, I've taken him off my rankings because I wouldn't draft him.
Overall
The 3 guys picked are all picked around where they will go on draft night. Personally I just think there are better options available for St.Kilda.
Smoking Aces said:
Ouch, whilst I disagree with Tigs on most counts, I have to admire his ballsy stand alone assessments. A sheep he is not.
tigs2010 said:
He's better than Gaff, his contested possession rate is around the 35% mark, Gaff's was around the 27%, a significant difference in my opinion. Aish is actually the one who is in the Gaff territory, so it will be interesting to see how this translates to AFL. But with a DE of 87%, you'd be very tempted, it's one of those situations that could wind up being a Polec or Morton bomb, or could turn out to be a master stroke. Aish is the one player who will no doubt polarise the footballing community.
Tigs 2010,some very interesting comments,and your rankings are mind blowing.
Question for you,do you actually watch any tac football,because if l was going up against you at draft time,l would be more than happy.
Question for you,do you actually watch any tac football,because if l was going up against you at draft time,l would be more than happy.
Fair call. Those stats surprise me. Just watching them I'd have said Aish has a better contested game than Kelly. I'm going to have a bit more watching to do. Any idea what Aish was like last year as he was just coming back from the shoulder this year.bullus_hit said:
Yeah I do. Which ones don't you like? And yes I do know my rankings deviate from the norm, but there are just player types I don't rate. My rankings are based on what I think they'll become. Not what they are now. Otherwise I'd have Kelly at 2 etc. Though Bully's stats were interesting so maybe I've been harsh on him or lenient on Aish or combo of both.bengal-tiger said:
tigs2010 said:
I don't know where to begin,josh kelly has a lot of upside,l dont think he will be an early star,but in the future he will be good.
Your comments on lewis taylor is very surprising,last year he was a deadly forward type,this year he has become a very good midfielder,he keeps on improving,he is much better than the usual small mid types.
I had to laugh about your comments about matt crouch,my guess is you haven't seen him play,except for tv,otherwise you wouldn't be making those comments.
I could go on and on ,but l would be here all day.
tigs2010 said:
These are taken straight from this year's carnival so maybe his SANFL form has taken on a different tune (although I have my doubts). The other factor is Aish has averaged about 16-17 touches at SANFL level so even lifting that to Kelly's mark you'd still be registering only 5-6 contested touches a match.
A question for you Tigs, if Kelly promised a career similar to Deledio would you bite?
tigs is only sharing his opinion bengal and his opinions are appreciated by most.
Drafting is not an exact science and any of the players you have defended through your opinion could end up to be busts.
Drafting is not an exact science and any of the players you have defended through your opinion could end up to be busts.
I don't know what it is about Kelly. He's a clear cut 2nd best junior. Maybe I'm just worried about his player type ending up at a *smile* club and him falling by the wayside and that's blinding me. If he was being linked to us or Collingwood, even the Dogs would be a good fit.bengal-tiger said:
Fair enough on Taylor. I don't pay a lot of attention to the underage kids apart from the odd favourite that catches my eye which last year was Sheed and Dunstan outside the obvious Boyd. If he can play as a small forward at AFL level then he may have a chance, though I still have my doubts.
Are you trying to say I'm wrong about Crouch's kicking? It's probably a combination with his decision-making which can be ironed out.
I'm basing my rankings on what I think Richmond would do. Kicking, Competitiveness, Character and if applicable, size.
My downfall is probably I'm harsher on the guys tipped to be 1st rounders and more lenient on later guys that show something in those 4 areas albeit aren't that consistent, which skews it a little bit. For example would I take Crouch or Taylor at pick 50? Of course, but that's never going to happen.
tigs2010 said:
Fair enough tigs,but you are extremely harsh on some of the better credentialed player's.
Crouch isn't a bad kick, I don't know were that is coming from,if my memory is right,l think he was aa at the champs last year,and came straight in this year,after coming back from injury,also if you can,have a look at his vfl game,he was good.
If he was playing in a tac side this year,with good outside player's,his effective disposals would be really good,but he was surrounded by a few flat footed player's.
