Snap said:
What exactly do you disagree with Snap? The fact that neg pop growth would be a desirable thing?
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Populate and Perish?
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What exactly do you disagree with Snap? The fact that neg pop growth would be a desirable thing?
Snap said:
I think we need to look at this planet and start having a population plan, because the type of growth we currently have is unsustainable. At the moment there is no plan.
As mentioned previously, I don't have the answer. Going down the One Child policy rout is a massive step, and you would have to say a last resort. The reality is however we only have so much water on the globe, and we can only grow so much food.
Snap said:
Okay.
Academic? If you reckon. Nothing to be sorry about.
And I guess the crap was just three or four pretty non-controversial points about pop growth. The conclusion seems to have been controversial to you. Fair enough.
Oi...make some room for me evo. Beer sounds like a fine idea in this tower. Come on Jack...join us!
Beer's good, gentlemen.
BTW how many white elephants does it take to make an ivory tower?
Malthus, eh? First exposure to the stuff. Loved it for fifteen minutes of wiki but now I'm bored. Are the teams up yet?
Malthus. The proponent of some interesting ideas. I can see why some view the tendency of the poor to overpopulate sorta thing as a barbarous idea. But that's the nature of the cosmos.
BTW how many white elephants does it take to make an ivory tower?
Malthus, eh? First exposure to the stuff. Loved it for fifteen minutes of wiki but now I'm bored. Are the teams up yet?
Malthus. The proponent of some interesting ideas. I can see why some view the tendency of the poor to overpopulate sorta thing as a barbarous idea. But that's the nature of the cosmos.
He was a crazy bugger alright.
Interesting phenomena as a result of the chinese one child policy.I can sort of relate having only one child myself.One tends to to spoil them.
The're all turning out fat little bastards.'Little emperors'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_emperor
Interesting phenomena as a result of the chinese one child policy.I can sort of relate having only one child myself.One tends to to spoil them.
The're all turning out fat little bastards.'Little emperors'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_emperor
evo said:He was a crazy bugger alright.
Interesting phenomena as a result of the chinese one child policy.I can sort of relate having only one child myself.One tends to to spoil them.
The're all turning out fat little bastards.'Little emperors'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_emperor
Ha,ha,ha,ha!!!! Sorry Jack, seems i have been off the mark. Wouldn't like to have to feed this little fella for a month. :hihi
weneed a cull plain and simple. when disease pestilence and disaster strikes over populated countries we do nothing let mother nature take its course. of course theres sterilisation on a global scale. theres many other unpalattable remedies and the planet will get to a point where these measures will be put in place.
On oldie but a goodie.
NOAH
In the year 2008, the Lord came unto Noah, and said: Once again, the earth has become wicked and over-populated, and I see the end of all flesh before me.
Build another Ark and save 2 of every living thing along with a few good humans.
He gave Noah the plans, saying: You have 6 months to build the Ark before I will start the unending rain for 40 days and 40 nights.
Six months later, the Lord looked down and saw Noah weeping in his yard - but no Ark.
Noah! He roared, I'm about to start the rain! Where is the Ark?
Forgive me, Lord, begged Noah, 'but things have changed.
I needed a building permit.
I've been arguing with the inspector about the need for a sprinkler system.
My neighbours claim that I've violated the neighbourhood zoning laws by building the Ark in my yard and exceeding the height limitations. We had to go to the Development Appeal Board for a decision.
Then the Power providers demanded a bond be posted for the future costs of moving power lines and other overhead obstructions, to clear the passage for the Ark's move to the sea. I told them that the sea would be coming to us, but they would hear nothing of it.
Getting the wood was another problem. There's a ban on cutting local trees in order to save the spotted owl.
I tried to convince the environmentalists that I needed the wood to save the owls - but no go! When I started gathering the animals, an animal rights group sued me. They insisted that I was confining wild animals against their will. They argued the accommodations were too restrictive, and it was cruel and inhumane to put so many animals in a confined space.
Then the EPA ruled that I couldn't build the Ark until they'd conducted an environmental impact study on your proposed flood.
I'm still trying to resolve a complaint with the Human Rights Commission on how many minorities I'm supposed to hire for my building crew.
Immigration are checking the visa status of most of the people who want to work.
The trade unions say I can't use my sons. They insist I have to hire only Union workers with Ark-building experience.
To make matters worse, the Tax Department seized all my assets, claiming I'm trying to leave the country illegally with endangered species.
So, forgive me, Lord, but it would take at least 10 years for me to finish this Ark.
Suddenly the skies cleared, the sun began to shine, and a rainbow stretched across the sky.
Noah looked up in wonder and asked,
'You mean you're not going to destroy the world?'
'No,' said the Lord. 'The governments have beaten me to it.
NOAH
In the year 2008, the Lord came unto Noah, and said: Once again, the earth has become wicked and over-populated, and I see the end of all flesh before me.
Build another Ark and save 2 of every living thing along with a few good humans.
He gave Noah the plans, saying: You have 6 months to build the Ark before I will start the unending rain for 40 days and 40 nights.
Six months later, the Lord looked down and saw Noah weeping in his yard - but no Ark.
Noah! He roared, I'm about to start the rain! Where is the Ark?
Forgive me, Lord, begged Noah, 'but things have changed.
I needed a building permit.
I've been arguing with the inspector about the need for a sprinkler system.
My neighbours claim that I've violated the neighbourhood zoning laws by building the Ark in my yard and exceeding the height limitations. We had to go to the Development Appeal Board for a decision.
Then the Power providers demanded a bond be posted for the future costs of moving power lines and other overhead obstructions, to clear the passage for the Ark's move to the sea. I told them that the sea would be coming to us, but they would hear nothing of it.
Getting the wood was another problem. There's a ban on cutting local trees in order to save the spotted owl.
I tried to convince the environmentalists that I needed the wood to save the owls - but no go! When I started gathering the animals, an animal rights group sued me. They insisted that I was confining wild animals against their will. They argued the accommodations were too restrictive, and it was cruel and inhumane to put so many animals in a confined space.
Then the EPA ruled that I couldn't build the Ark until they'd conducted an environmental impact study on your proposed flood.
I'm still trying to resolve a complaint with the Human Rights Commission on how many minorities I'm supposed to hire for my building crew.
Immigration are checking the visa status of most of the people who want to work.
The trade unions say I can't use my sons. They insist I have to hire only Union workers with Ark-building experience.
To make matters worse, the Tax Department seized all my assets, claiming I'm trying to leave the country illegally with endangered species.
So, forgive me, Lord, but it would take at least 10 years for me to finish this Ark.
Suddenly the skies cleared, the sun began to shine, and a rainbow stretched across the sky.
Noah looked up in wonder and asked,
'You mean you're not going to destroy the world?'
'No,' said the Lord. 'The governments have beaten me to it.
Liverpool said:
Migrant surge at record levels
THE push to lure skilled workers to Australia and the increase in foreign students have raised migration into the country to a record high.
Australian Bureau of Statistics figures reveal that net overseas migration to Australia boosted the population by almost 200,000 in the year to March, outstripping births in contributing to population growth.
And with the Federal Government adding to the migration intake in this year's budget, demographers predict the numbers will swell.
The population of Australia reached 21.3 million at the end of March, and 59% of that growth was due to net overseas migration — that is, the difference between overseas arrivals and departures.
Dr Birrell said the increasing population was adding pressure to the housing market, which was already under strain because of a reduction in the construction of units and houses. It was also increasing demand for hospital services and public transport and adding cars on roads.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/national/migrant-surge-at-record-levels/2008/09/24/1222217371374.html
Looks like that Liverpool might be on the money again...
Liverpool said:Migrant surge at record levels
THE push to lure skilled workers to Australia and the increase in foreign students have raised migration into the country to a record high.
Australian Bureau of Statistics figures reveal that net overseas migration to Australia boosted the population by almost 200,000 in the year to March, outstripping births in contributing to population growth.
And with the Federal Government adding to the migration intake in this year's budget, demographers predict the numbers will swell.
The population of Australia reached 21.3 million at the end of March, and 59% of that growth was due to net overseas migration — that is, the difference between overseas arrivals and departures.
Dr Birrell said the increasing population was adding pressure to the housing market, which was already under strain because of a reduction in the construction of units and houses. It was also increasing demand for hospital services and public transport and adding cars on roads.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/national/migrant-surge-at-record-levels/2008/09/24/1222217371374.html
Looks like that Liverpool might be on the money again...
so thats a reason to stop immigration, rising rentals?
I can give you my company as an example, we are bringing in skilled migrants because the technical skills we require NO ONE here has them. Under your reign though because they come from a third world country they would be prohibited, and instead of getting a technican with a masters, we get lumbered with someone who walked past a Tafe once, and try to train them up into a role they are inadequate for.
As per the article, its skilled migration pushing the surge, and skills our economy desperately need.
Tiger74 said:
Tiger74,
Even Brumby called for a stop in the surge of immigration for those exact reasons....housing and infrastructure in general.
Bob Carr said the same in NSW a few years back as well.
Check out my last post on the 'talking politics' thread.
I actually stop reading your posts when you quote articles. I read the papers most days, and I want to hear your thoughts, not those of others who you try to use to show you have external cred.
It doesn't change the issue with the skills shortage, and I notice how you completely ignored the very specific example of my organization, where we are forced to recruit off-shore because of a lack of local skills in that area.
It doesn't change the issue with the skills shortage, and I notice how you completely ignored the very specific example of my organization, where we are forced to recruit off-shore because of a lack of local skills in that area.
