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[Redford]

Very poor end to the Lions game that highlights another weakness in the rules of American football. 2 minutes left…but the Lions can just take knees and run the clock out. It was a great game until it got to that. Poor ending.

That’s a weakness in the game imo.

 

[Redford]

And that ahole Jerry Jones. He’s not happy. Suck sh**

See ya McCarthy.

 

[TigerForce]

Very poor end to the Lions game that highlights another weakness in the rules of American football. 2 minutes left…but the Lions can just take knees and run the clock out. It was a great game until it got to that. Poor ending.

That’s a weakness in the game imo.

Agree, and the 2 minute warning is not what it was originally used for and is dated.

 

[RoarEmotion]

Very poor end to the Lions game that highlights another weakness in the rules of American football. 2 minutes left…but the Lions can just take knees and run the clock out. It was a great game until it got to that. Poor ending.

That’s a weakness in the game imo.

What would be the solution?

You could shrink the clock allowed for each play in the last 2 minutes of each half to 20 seconds instead of I think it is 40.
You still have a 1:00 problem in that situation.

Maybe you could make it an addition to that, that if you are ahead and in possession and in the last 2 minutes, then any 0 or negative gain plays means the clock doesn't start running until you gain yards again or even gain a first down?

All of these would generate other unexpected issues in true AFL style rule changes.

Clock management is a big part of the game so that's all part of the trick - they still had to make a first down to get to that situation and I think risked a pass play to do it vs just running the ball and letting the clock run but needing to potentially give it back for a hail mary etc.

 

[Redford]

What would be the solution?

You could shrink the clock allowed for each play in the last 2 minutes of each half to 20 seconds instead of I think it is 40.
You still have a 1:00 problem in that situation.

Maybe you could make it an addition to that, that if you are ahead and in possession and in the last 2 minutes, then any 0 or negative gain plays means the clock doesn't start running until you gain yards again or even gain a first down?

All of these would generate other unexpected issues in true AFL style rule changes.

Clock management is a big part of the game so that's all part of the trick - they still had to make a first down to get to that situation and I think risked a pass play to do it vs just running the ball and letting the clock run but needing to potentially give it back for a hail mary etc.

That pass play only left them at midfield. To run 2 minutes out, at midfield, by taking knees, is a really poor way to end the game imo.

Contrast that with basketball where anything can still happen - multiple times over in fact - in the last 2 minutes.

Eliminate largely, the play clock from the game clock in the last 2 minutes or 1 minute maybe. The game clock starts when the ball is snapped, and stops when the play ends. The play clock runs independent, and you have 30 seconds prior for each play otherwise you lose possession. But it doesn’t reduce the game time. However, you get 30 seconds of concurrent game and play clock for every 1st down that you achieve.

You’d have a plethora of plays in the last 1 or 2 minutes.

Whatever, 2 minutes of kneeling is *smile*. The air went right out of an otherwise great game, just because of a simple 11 yard pass at midfield.

 

[Ricemagic]

What would be the solution?

You could shrink the clock allowed for each play in the last 2 minutes of each half to 20 seconds instead of I think it is 40.
You still have a 1:00 problem in that situation.

Maybe you could make it an addition to that, that if you are ahead and in possession and in the last 2 minutes, then any 0 or negative gain plays means the clock doesn't start running until you gain yards again or even gain a first down?

All of these would generate other unexpected issues in true AFL style rule changes.

Clock management is a big part of the game so that's all part of the trick - they still had to make a first down to get to that situation and I think risked a pass play to do it vs just running the ball and letting the clock run but needing to potentially give it back for a hail mary etc.

That pass play only left them at midfield. To run 2 minutes out, at midfield, by taking knees, is a really poor way to end the game imo.

Contrast that with basketball where anything can still happen - multiple times over in fact - in the last 2 minutes.

Eliminate largely, the play clock from the game clock in the last 2 minutes or 1 minute maybe. The game clock starts when the ball is snapped, and stops when the play ends. The play clock runs independent, and you have 30 seconds prior for each play otherwise you lose possession. But it doesn’t reduce the game time. However, you get 30 seconds of concurrent game and play clock for every 1st down that you achieve.

You’d have a plethora of plays in the last 1 or 2 minutes.

Whatever, 2 minutes of kneeling is *smile*. The air went right out of an otherwise great game, just because of a simple 11 yard pass at midfield.

I'm with Redford, in the last 2 minutes the clock stops at the end of the play, regardless if it's a throw or a run.

Even if they run up the middle like they do now and the clock keeps going down, stop the clock at the end of the play or the knee's are down.

At least we'd see a few more plays until the 2 minutes are up, maybe even the first team with the ball get a TD or FG to totally ice the game.

Or they might even turn it over and the other team get the ball, get a TD to take the lead, then the first team get it back and have enough time to maybe themselves get a TD to retake the league.

It'd be some finish man

 

[Streak]

And that ahole Jerry Jones. He’s not happy.

Ain't that a shame!

 

[meownotroar]

View attachment 21601Mike Holmgren? Andy Reid

 

[Mopsy]

You blokes have lost your mind’s

A large part of the excitement of an NFL game is a team racing against a running clock to score at the end of a game.
Teams can already use time outs and getting the ball out of bounds to stop the clock, which Is a skill in itself. But you want to make it easy for them by stopping it at the completion of every play? Doesn’t sound very exciting to me.

The average NFL play lasts 4 seconds. So you‘re looking at around 30 plays in the last 2 mins. Way too many considering there most probably wouldn’t have been 30 plays in the previous 13 minutes of the quarter.

Looking at yesterdays game the Rams issues were mainly self inflicted. They burnt 2 time outs in the 2nd half because they weren’t organised on offense. Poor clock management. They can blame no one but themselves for the situation they found themselves in at the end of the game.

The 2 minute warning etc is fine. Doesn’t need tweaking. It provides plenty of opportunities for teams to generate go ahead scores. They just have to be good enough to get their hands on the football.

 

[Redford]

You blokes have lost your mind’s

A large part of the excitement of an NFL game is a team racing against a running clock to score at the end of a game.
Teams can already use time outs and getting the ball out of bounds to stop the clock, which Is a skill in itself. But you want to make it easy for them by stopping it at the completion of every play? Doesn’t sound very exciting to me.

The average NFL play lasts 4 seconds. So you‘re looking at around 30 plays in the last 2 mins. Way too many considering there most probably wouldn’t have been 30 plays in the previous 13 minutes of the quarter.

Looking at yesterdays game the Rams issues were mainly self inflicted. They burnt 2 time outs in the 2nd half because they weren’t organised on offense. Poor clock management. They can blame no one but themselves for the situation they found themselves in at the end of the game.

The 2 minute warning etc is fine. Doesn’t need tweaking. It provides plenty of opportunities for teams to generate go ahead scores. They just have to be good enough to get their hands on the football.

Nah. 2 minutes of kneeling isn’t exciting. That’s not a good look, especially when it was only a 1 point game. It’s also not a good look where trying to grow the game into foreign markets is concerned either.

You PLAY the game out to the last second for mine. That’s what sport is about.

 

[MD Jazz]

Great start Bills. Hopefully expose the Steelers as one of the worst teams ever to make the playoffs.

 

[Mopsy]

Nah. 2 minutes of kneeling isn’t exciting. That’s not a good look, especially where trying to grow the game into foreign markets is concerned.

You PLAY the game out to the last second for mine. That’s what sport is about.

The Lions earned the right to finish the game that way through good execution.

The Rams could have gotten the ball back through good defense but weren’t good enough to execute.

Looking at it from another angle who wants to watch 30 plays in the last 2 minutes of a game that’s not even close?

Not me, that’s not my definition of exciting.

 

[MD Jazz]

You blokes have lost your mind’s

A large part of the excitement of an NFL game is a team racing against a running clock to score at the end of a game.
Teams can already use time outs and getting the ball out of bounds to stop the clock, which Is a skill in itself. But you want to make it easy for them by stopping it at the completion of every play? Doesn’t sound very exciting to me.

The average NFL play lasts 4 seconds. So you‘re looking at around 30 plays in the last 2 mins. Way too many considering there most probably wouldn’t have been 30 plays in the previous 13 minutes of the quarter.

Looking at yesterdays game the Rams issues were mainly self inflicted. They burnt 2 time outs in the 2nd half because they weren’t organised on offense. Poor clock management. They can blame no one but themselves for the situation they found themselves in at the end of the game.

The 2 minute warning etc is fine. Doesn’t need tweaking. It provides plenty of opportunities for teams to generate go ahead scores. They just have to be good enough to get their hands on the football.

I'm leaning with you Mops. You shouldn't need to manufacture or manipulate excitement. There is a skill in running down the clock. Keeping your timeouts is a challenge. Most times teams run the ball when trying to take time off clock, the defence can plan almost exclusively for the run. The Lions took a risk with that throw and it paid off.

 

[Redford]

The Lions earned the right to finish the game that way through good execution.

The Rams could have gotten the ball back through good defense but weren’t good enough to execute.

Looking at it from another angle who wants to watch 30 plays in the last 2 minutes of a game that’s not even close?

Not me, that’s not my definition of exciting.

The Lions earnt the right under the current rules. For sure. But that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about defective rules, not the Lions “right”.

You, and every man and his dog, sit around complaining about AFL teams that kick it around sideways, backwards etc to hold onto possession in the last minutes of a close game, so what’s the difference ? Especially when it’s worse in the NFL because the rules actually facilitate a complete and utter shut down of the game. That’s bs. In any sport.

You play the game right out, especially when there’s only 1 point in it. 2 minutes in the NFL is an eternity. To simply shut it down in a 1 point game ‘ain’t great imo.

 

[RoarEmotion]

Steelers look inept compared to bills at the moment. With that said bills defence forcing a lot of big plays - fumbles / interceptions.

 

[MD Jazz]

Steelers look inept compared to bills at the moment. With that said bills defence forcing a lot of big plays - fumbles / interceptions.

The only problem will be the Bills will likely take their starters off for the 2nd half and Steelers will score some meaningless junk time points to reduce the margin. Bills should win by 30 plus if they keep their starters on.

 

[Redford]

Steelers are done. A Browns and Dallarse like performance so far.

 

[Mopsy]

The Lions earnt the right under the current rules. For sure. But that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about defective rules, not the Lions “right”.

You, and every man and his dog, sit around complaining about AFL teams that kick it around sideways, backwards etc to hold onto possession in the last minutes of a close game, so what’s the difference ? Especially when it’s worse in the NFL because the rules actually facilitate a complete and utter shut down of the game. That’s bs. In any sport.

You play the game right out, especially when there’s only 1 point in it. 2 minutes in the NFL is an eternity. To simply shut it down in a 1 point game ‘ain’t great imo.

I have no problem with teams chipping the ball around in AFL. Sometimes you benefit from the tactic other times you don’t. Works both ways, that’s sport.

I get what you’re saying, my main point was stopping the clock after every play in the final 2 minutes isn’t a good solution to your gripe.
I also assume your idea would be implemented in the final 2 mins of the 1st half as well? Would have to be I guess or else you have different rules for 3 of the 4 quarters.

You talked earlier about growing the game in new markets. Talk to anyone not really familiar with the game and they mostly say it’s too long with not enough play/action. Imagine what they would be like with heaps more stopping of the clock.

 

[Mopsy]

That TD by Allen was awesome.

 

[Redford]

I have no problem with teams chipping the ball around in AFL. Sometimes you benefit from the tactic other times you don’t. Works both ways, that’s sport.

I get what you’re saying, my main point was stopping the clock after every play in the final 2 minutes isn’t a good solution to your gripe.
I also assume your idea would be implemented in the final 2 mins of the 1st half as well? Would have to be I guess or else you have different rules for 3 of the 4 quarters.

You talked earlier about growing the game in new markets. Talk to anyone not really familiar with the game and they mostly say it’s too long with not enough play/action. Imagine what they would be like with heaps more stopping of the clock.

If the AFL had rules that facilitated a complete shut down of the game with 2 minutes left and just 5 points the diff, I doubt too many people would subscribe to that. Or if the EPL did the same in a 1-0 game. Actually, is the NFL the only game that facilitates the closure of a game (especially close ones), with so much time left ?

But I guess if the game clock is more important than the actual play, it works for people. Not me, personally.

You’ve completely mis understood my possible suggestion and the implications. And I’m sure others have better ones anyway.