Marriage Equality

[Ian4]

Why should people vote? Shouldn't the lawmakers do what they're there for?

the most pointless thing of all is that even in the unlikely event the no vote wins, its still an absolute certainty it is coming. They are just delaying the inevitable.

and lets not forget that its not legally binding. If the yes vote wins, parliament can still scupper it. what's interesting about this is that a recent poll suggest the majority of people in Tony Abbot's own electorate are for marriage equality. That would create quite a conundrum if there was ever a conscience vote. aren't members of parliament supposed to be representing their constituents? :hihi

I have changed my stance on this over the years. I'm now in favour of marriage equality.

One question I have is how will the Muslim community react to this when it goes through?

Looking at Indonesia our closet neighbor, recent developments of public floggings and boycotts of marriage equality supporters to the reverse of what happened here to Coopers Beer don't look to promising.

I'm clear that many Christians won't accept this. Although I don't agree their stance is transparent.

their stance is irrelevant. we live in a secular country. but I reckon you'd be surprised... there are a lot of Christians that are pro marriage equality.

 

[AngryAnt]

Who cares how the Muslims react to this. If they don't like it, they can go eat the Halal certified Vegemite that has been forced upon everyone who eats Vegemite. Muslims go about saying and doing whatever they please without caring what anyone else thinks or who they offend so I couldn't give a rats what they think.

Same goes with all other religions.

:ner

Actually haven't heard the Australian Muslim community making any statements on this at all yet. Plenty of Christian conservatives and other non-Muslims peddling hate speech though, even though a majority of Christians actually support it.

 

[1eyedtiger]

Actually haven't heard the Australian Muslim community making any statements on this at all yet. Plenty of Christian conservatives and other non-Muslims peddling hate speech though, even though a majority of Christians actually support it.

I know. I was just responding to MB78. I don't even think this is about 'marriage' equality. It's about equality, pure and simple. Do you think that gay people are equal to heterosexuals? I don't think there should be a vote on it. Equality shouldn't be up for debate. Everyone has the right (in Australia at least) to be treated as equals. But if we're going to do it, then equality should be achieved whichever way the vote goes.

Either gays are given equal rights by allowing them to 'marry' like everyone else.
Or, marriage be abolished completely and everyone allowed to join in 'civil unions' and all existing marriages be converted as such.

And for most of the whingers complaining about all the publicity that the gay community gets these days, it's partly their own fault. If they just allowed gay marriage in the first place, this wouldn't be an issue. Gays would have gotten on with life and there wouldn't be all the publicity surrounding it. And in the meantime, there are far more things to worry about, like running the country. But it would seem that our politicians haven't anything better to do which raises questions about why they deserve the amount of pay and perks they receive.

 

[Baloo]

the most pointless thing of all is that even in the unlikely event the no vote wins,

Unlikely? They way they have set it up is to ensure a No vote has the best chance possible

 

[tigertim]

The only people who's opinion I hear are 100% "yes" so I'll be surprised if the "no" gets up.

 

[MB78]

The only people who's opinion I hear are 100% "yes" so I'll be surprised if the "no" gets up.

I wouldn't take to much notice on what gets said based on comments. If you did you would think the Greens and the ALP would be the dominant political forces (based on his he politics thread).

 

[MB78]

their stance is irrelevant. we live in a secular country. but I reckon you'd be surprised... there are a lot of Christians that are pro marriage equality.

Many on the far left will be conflicted if the Muslim community speaks out on marriage equality. After all Islam is the most feminist religion.

I just hope the vote gets up and we allow equal rights for all.

 

[Giardiasis]

Personally I think this whole issue is ridiculous. A bunch of people complaining for equal rights to be held under the yoke of government. How about the government gets out of marriage entirely? If two people want to perform a ceremony and call it marriage, then who gives a stuff? That goes for polygamy, incest, etc.

 

[Ian4]

I know. I was just responding to MB78. I don't even think this is about 'marriage' equality. It's about equality, pure and simple. Do you think that gay people are equal to heterosexuals? I don't think there should be a vote on it. Equality shouldn't be up for debate. Everyone has the right (in Australia at least) to be treated as equals. But if we're going to do it, then equality should be achieved whichever way the vote goes.

Either gays are given equal rights by allowing them to 'marry' like everyone else.
Or, marriage be abolished completely and everyone allowed to join in 'civil unions' and all existing marriages be converted as such.

And for most of the whingers complaining about all the publicity that the gay community gets these days, it's partly their own fault. If they just allowed gay marriage in the first place, this wouldn't be an issue. Gays would have gotten on with life and there wouldn't be all the publicity surrounding it. And in the meantime, there are far more things to worry about, like running the country. But it would seem that our politicians haven't anything better to do which raises questions about why they deserve the amount of pay and perks they receive.

:clap :clap :clap

Unlikely? They way they have set it up is to ensure a No vote has the best chance possible

agree. but if its true that 2/3 of Australians support it, then they are coming from a long way back. I find it hard to find a reason why the conservative branch of the LNP has pushed this so hard when all they are really doing is delaying the inevitable.

I saw this on social media earlier in the week with a caption along the lines of "only one fits." this is the type of bigoted sh!t we're gonna be subjected to in the coming months, thanks to the government.

 

[AngryAnt]

I know. I was just responding to MB78. I don't even think this is about 'marriage' equality. It's about equality, pure and simple. Do you think that gay people are equal to heterosexuals? I don't think there should be a vote on it. Equality shouldn't be up for debate. Everyone has the right (in Australia at least) to be treated as equals. But if we're going to do it, then equality should be achieved whichever way the vote goes.

Either gays are given equal rights by allowing them to 'marry' like everyone else.
Or, marriage be abolished completely and everyone allowed to join in 'civil unions' and all existing marriages be converted as such.

And for most of the whingers complaining about all the publicity that the gay community gets these days, it's partly their own fault. If they just allowed gay marriage in the first place, this wouldn't be an issue. Gays would have gotten on with life and there wouldn't be all the publicity surrounding it. And in the meantime, there are far more things to worry about, like running the country. But it would seem that our politicians haven't anything better to do which raises questions about why they deserve the amount of pay and perks they receive.

Agree 100% OneEyed!!!!

 

[Harry]

Personally I think this whole issue is ridiculous. A bunch of people complaining for equal rights to be held under the yoke of government. How about the government gets out of marriage entirely? If two people want to perform a ceremony and call it marriage, then who gives a stuff? That goes for polygamy, incest, etc.

Correct. Are we going to vote for polygamy marriage equality also?

 

[Ian4]

Correct. Are we going to vote for polygamy marriage equality also?

ah yes, the old slippery slope chestnut. next people will be able to marry animals and inanimate objects too, right?

 

[tigertim]

ah yes, the old slippery slope chestnut. next people will be able to marry animals and inanimate objects too, right?

Yes, but animals and inanimate objects are ridiculous extensions. I don't think polygamy is.

 

[Ian4]

Yes, but animals and inanimate objects are ridiculous extensions. I don't think polygamy is.

the irony of course is that some religious sects still practice polygamy. And those same religions are against marriage equality (or homosexuality in general).

 

[Giardiasis]

ah yes, the old slippery slope chestnut. next people will be able to marry animals and inanimate objects too, right?

I thought you were for marriage equality?

 

[Harry]

I thought you were for marriage equality?

Only when it suits him

 

[Ian4]

I thought you were for marriage equality?

maybe I need to post this more.

 

[Giardiasis]

maybe I need to post this more.

If you believe in marriage equality but then say you don't think people should be allowed to marry a doormat, then you aren't really for marriage equality. You are just for traditional and gay marriage, while discriminating against other groups that might wish to marry. You haven't expressed your opinion about polygamy or incest marriages, what is it?

 

[jb03]

ah yes, the old slippery slope chestnut. next people will be able to marry animals and inanimate objects too, right?

Leysy is pushing for the ability to marry oneself.

 

[Harry]

Marrying a doormat or oneself is a bit ridiculous but polygamous marriages should also be allowed