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Marriage Equality
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Ian4 said:
The school in question was a jewish school which the jewish community in Melb says was closed because it was a dud school, nothing to do with marriage equality.
Harry said:
People can vote however they want but if people want to discuss the issue they should be able to say why, without resorting to alternative facts, and a whole bunch of irrelevant concerns.
Looking at the amount of anti-religious bigotry on display in here voting no is realistically the only option for those of us who value freedom of conscience. People call my concerns irrelevant then proceed to make them all very relevant with their postings.
Brodders I read that it was an excellent school except they would not celebrate homosexual behavior. Do you have any evidence for your claim that it was a 'dud'. I'd be interested to read it! Also: I have said why people's lack of being able to follow the logic of my argument notwithstanding!
Brodders I read that it was an excellent school except they would not celebrate homosexual behavior. Do you have any evidence for your claim that it was a 'dud'. I'd be interested to read it! Also: I have said why people's lack of being able to follow the logic of my argument notwithstanding!
Ian4 said:
This is also anti-religious bigotry. People and their families have every right to practice their faith.
Harry said:
It's a bit different. I'd say that being religious is having faith and belief without any concrete proof. Doesn't mean they are wrong, but it's a leap of faith.
Your statement could also be reworded as such.
The thing is the anti-dimma brigade will laugh at any opinion or reason based on dimma being the right man.
Harry said:
When it comes to deciding on Australian law, of course they will. Believe in whichever God or Deity or Theology you want, but dont expect any part of your particular religion to form the basis for anything outside of it.
Djevv said:
Of course they do. That's not in question.
The issue is that the only opposition to marriage equality is religious. And religious beliefs are so personal and arbitrary that they should have no bearing at all on decisions of peoples rights.
Coburgtiger said:
It's been put out to a vote and people are voting based on their religious beliefs which is what's important to them. These people aren't forcing a law on anyone, they have been asked for an opinion and a vote and are giving it. Doesn't matter if you belive in a god or not - it doesn't need a justification everyone undertands and agrees on. Those who are religious see the yes voters opinions just as ridiculous. This is why the whole process is a joke.
Djevv said:
I completely respect peoples rights to practice their faith or to believe what they wanna believe. but I am against people brainwashing children into practicing someone else's faith. all children are born atheist and are taught by their families and their church what to believe. If someone wants to believe in the flying spaghetti monster, by all means let them... but they should be banned form being taught religious beliefs until they reach a mature age so they can make their own informed decision without having anyone influence them. and they certainly should not be taught to believe in a certain way by government funded schools.
and as for SSM, any religious argument is moot because we live in a secular country where the church and state are separate. And I am yet to find a logical argument as to why someone should vote no if you exclude religion as a factor.
Harry said:
I love the commentary that religious people are tolerant of homosexuality, and aren't trying to impose their views on others.
Except that they are they voting to impose their religious beliefs on the country as a whole.
That is literally what a no vote is.
It is not, I don't like gay marriage.
It is not, I don't want to be gay.
It is not, I believe homosexuality to be immoral.
It is, I think that OTHER PEOPLE should have to conduct THEIR LIVES legally by my personal religious beliefs.
It is, I think that the law should not allow same sex people to marry.
By voting no, you are literally responding in order to make your personal beliefs the ruling law of other peoples lives.
Harry said:
Again, the question in the survey is not about your personal system of beliefs. It is about what you think the law should be.
You can be a religious person who believes homosexuality to be immoral. But if you want to be able to truthfully say that you are not forcing those beliefs on anyone else, then those personal beliefs should NOT factor in what you think the law should reflect.
You can't have it both ways.
Both a yes and a no vote are forcing an outcome on people that don’t agree. Both groups seek to discriminate against groups of people partaking in government sanctioned marriage, it’s just a difference of degree. The yes crowd don’t hold the moral high ground.Coburgtiger said:
The only moral choice is to refuse to recognise the government’s involvement in marriage.
Wowee, who are you to tell parents what they can and can’t teach their children! It is up to parents, as stewards of their children, to decide what’s best for them and what they should be taught. Not you.Ian4 said:
