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Lockett v Dunstall
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Wasn't aware of that Tim. With all due respect to Benny and the amazing job he has done over the past decade plus at Richmond I could have worn that. In Plugger out Benny may just have won us a flag.
That said we don't know what the other aspects to the deal might have been.
My point was more about the fact that if a team becomes too focused on one player they may kick less goals in total. Plugger was by far the best full forward in my opinion but Dunstall was a complete team person. Dunstall played his team role to perfection. Both were fantastic full forwards
In any era Plugger is the best player I've ever seen Ezy so it's no real argument from me.
He was an absolute beast. Acceleration off the mark & strength made him unstoppable. Also the best kick for goal in the game.
That said whilst he had a pretty vanilla highlight reel, I just believe Dunstall was a more team oriented player hence why he'd be better today.
Goals aside, I'd like to see the goal assist numbers for each player to give a more rounded assessment. Unfortunately AFL tables don't have that data so it's just a hunch. I do remember JD giving off many goals when he played. Plugger not so much.
AFL tables also have Dunstall averaging more marks, tackles & possessions than Plugger. I think his work rate at ground level was higher.
He was an absolute beast. Acceleration off the mark & strength made him unstoppable. Also the best kick for goal in the game.
That said whilst he had a pretty vanilla highlight reel, I just believe Dunstall was a more team oriented player hence why he'd be better today.
Goals aside, I'd like to see the goal assist numbers for each player to give a more rounded assessment. Unfortunately AFL tables don't have that data so it's just a hunch. I do remember JD giving off many goals when he played. Plugger not so much.
AFL tables also have Dunstall averaging more marks, tackles & possessions than Plugger. I think his work rate at ground level was higher.
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Looking at the top 20 goal kickers of all time, if I had to rate them , I would go
1.Peter Hudson for his average goals per game , 5.64 nearly 1 goal a game better than Lockett who is 2nd
2.Skinny Tutus, said it before this bloke doesn't get the kudos he deserves
3. Mathews, a pig of a man but brilliant
4.Lockett , Coventry & Dunstall for the shear weight of goals
1.Peter Hudson for his average goals per game , 5.64 nearly 1 goal a game better than Lockett who is 2nd
2.Skinny Tutus, said it before this bloke doesn't get the kudos he deserves
3. Mathews, a pig of a man but brilliant
4.Lockett , Coventry & Dunstall for the shear weight of goals
Plugger originally chose Richmond because his grandfather was a Tigers supporter. True story, heard it from Plugger himself.
Have always thought though that goals per game on average is a pretty poor statistic. It is a shame we can't, but it would be interesting if we could look at goals per Inside 50 count. That would level the field for the blokes who played in better teams.
I could be wrong, but I reckon Plugger would have Hudson on that measure.
Does anyone have the stats on Pluggers goal kicking at St Kilda compared to his time at Sydney?
St Kilda 183 games, 898 goals, 4.91 goals per game
Sydney 98 games, 462 goals, 4.71 goals per game
That's was the deal by the next afternoon The AFL had him going to Sydney.
We got screwed.
Similiar story to Earl Spalding agreeing to come to us and then Carlton getting him.
We were keen on lynch from Fitzroy but he went to Brisbane for 10 years.
When did Brisbane have 1 million dollars to give away in 1995?
When he went to Sydney they were shittful.
Us of the late 2000's.
In 2 years they were in a GF
Off memory St K wanted 5 players in return.
Gales brothers, Daffy, Campbell, Richo maybe Broderick (mix of these). RFC offered 2nd tier players only with 1 on that list, wasnt sure, so on above B Gale was 1?!
What they got from Syd was sweet F all,unreal joke the AFL intervention. Well in the end a big marque player doesnt always win u a premiership (Syd: Lockett, Franklin) but sometimes it does as seen in recent times, for example:
T Lynch to RFC proved invauble in '19. Saw it as payback karma
. Stuck it right up all of 'em, the whole league as far as Im concerned!
Gales brothers, Daffy, Campbell, Richo maybe Broderick (mix of these). RFC offered 2nd tier players only with 1 on that list, wasnt sure, so on above B Gale was 1?!
What they got from Syd was sweet F all,unreal joke the AFL intervention. Well in the end a big marque player doesnt always win u a premiership (Syd: Lockett, Franklin) but sometimes it does as seen in recent times, for example:
T Lynch to RFC proved invauble in '19. Saw it as payback karma
. Stuck it right up all of 'em, the whole league as far as Im concerned!
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That's a good snippet Streak. Another connection was that Swooper Northey knew Plugger's Dad (who was the original Plugger in the family) from their Ballarat footy days.
When Plugger chose the Tigers, the Saints wanted (I think that it was 2 of these players) Wayne Campbell, Benny G and Stu Maxfield plus draft picks. The Tigers baulked at this, the AFL were working with the Saints to convince them to take the Swans offer. When you look at the Swans deal in hindsight, it wasn't great for the Saints (the deal also involved the Hawks).
The Saints received pick 5 (Joel Smith, 58 games for the Saints, had a bad knee injury and played most of his good footy with the Hawks), pick 13 (Chris Hemley, 1 game for the Saints), plus Robert Neil (23 games for the Saints), Glenn Nugent (11 games for the Saints) and Josh Kitchen (3 games for the Saints).
Having said that, the Saints made a Grand Final in their third Plugger-less season and the Swans made the GF in Plugger's second year.
I have quite often thought how awesome it would have been to have Plugger and Richo in the same forward line. In my dreams, I had Plugger as the deep option, with Richo roaming up to the wings and back. Alas, it remained a dream!
I thought they wanted Michael Gale and Chris Naish.
What they got from Sydney was trash.
They went almost 2 years without a win. Their list was useless
Butch, Naishy and Daffy I think were also thrown around as possible options after the first names were rejected.
I remember how exciting it was to watch those news reports! BTW - Huddo looks like he was about 10!
maybe, but Benny could have ended up boss cocky at the saints and they 3 peated 17/18/19?
