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How do we really support Richmond

However people choose to support their Club, it is right for them. I don't need to agree with everyone on anything, much less about the way they choose to support Richmond. All I need to know is that they do.

Our own supporters are our harshest critics. You can look at it and say that they are not true supporters. Or you can say that they are reflecting back to the Club what they already think of themselves.

Coping with outside pressure, scrutiny and criticism is part and parcel of being in the AFL. If you can't handle it, perhaps you shouldn't be in it. And if people having an opinion causes the downfall of another then perhaps they have more to worry about than they realise.

If you have self-respect, you can show it to others. At various times, our footy Club has demanded respect. If the Club and players want respect then they should develop some of their own, because how can anyone show us respect when we don't have any for ourselves? When we deserve it, we won't need to ask for it.

I don't see the point in pretending things are OK when they are not and the best way anyone can support our footy Club is by being honest. Whether positive or negative, as long as people are constructive in their views, I think it gives a balanced picture of where our Club is at.

A lack of trust has been our biggest downfall, as a Club and as supporters. We have used short-sighted, short-term decisions to bring about our own downfall. As soon as things go awry, we think we need to change someone. In reality, the results achieved by anyone will determine their destiny. So, over time, if it becomes apparent that they are incapable of creating and bringing about positive change, then they will move aside for someone else soon enough.

But because people aren't prepared to trust, they think the only way to get results is to bring in new people as soon as things start to go pear shaped. That's all well and good, if the new people aren't going to be operating in the same old environment, because it is certain that can only achieve the same results as those before them. I believe the Club has now realised this and is doing something about it. However, as results are not always apparent in the short-term, people become anxious and think that things are not changing.

And I guess because we don't know what goes on behind the scenes, we can't understand why some things are the way they are and become impatient. Why can some players play as though nothing is wrong and others play as though the weight of the world is on their shoulders? Why has a Club such as ours been so unsuccessful for so long? Because I don't know, it frustrates me and no doubt it frustrates others. How that frustration is expressed will be different for everyone. Doesn't make one supporter less of a supporter than anyone else.

I appreciate having this board to share in the knowledge and views of others, because it makes some things clearer.

P.S.: Great post Dean
 
Yes dean this would go pretty close to my own Idea of " How do we really support Richmond ".... but MC and Rosy you have me feeling confused. Rosy's poem is all about support being based on any level of heartfelt respectful reflection or action and I agree .

MC24 says " the best way anyone can support the club is by being honest.....as long as it is constructive" and noting the basis for frustration at Tigerland, says,..." How that frustration is expressed doesn't make one supporter better than another ".

Go and read the Kellaway posts again and try to shoe horn any of these people into your own definition's of a supporter. Let us not undermine the meaning of support ! Rosy , you were right in your reply the other day ....dont reply to them !

As a supporter , I am asking " How do we best support Richmond ".....well It helps to know what it means to be one. They can call themselves that and there is nothing we can do about it , but let's not muddy the water by calling them that.....or we will become the absolute laughing stock of the A.F.L. ie...." Ha the Tigers have become so desperate for numbers ,that they now call any Richmond hating , provocateur by choice a supporter ....a real supporter and just as good as Duncan Kellaway."

Sorry they are not and your definitions say so too.

As i have already said spitting the dummy , getting angry and saying what you think even if it is negative is fine ......we all do it right or wrong , thats Tiger Passion. I love it....and from that we all can learn things....but that is not what we are talking about here , is it?

Anyway, I dont beleive you really mean this and I am glad to be on this site with you.

best regards Omarkum
 
I wouldn't have a clue what you're talking about to be honest Omarkum, ha.

It's not about expecting everyone to agree with our own opinions.

My comments about membership were based on comments towards people earlier in the season that they aren't true supporters if they don't cough up for a membership and I think that's so wrong it's funny.

As someome said to me in an e-mail, Omarkum makes some good points in his original post but it's a bit naive of him to suggest I had to back you up.

We all have our own thoughts and our own way of expressing them. The Dunc baggers are just teasing me, they couldn't possibly believe what they write. ;)

To me you're no more a supporter if you sit and politely clap the team off after another flogging or if you're the kind of person who calls out asking why they didn't show some heart.

We're all different.

Over and out for this thread. :)
 
Omarkum said:
Go and read the Kellaway posts again and try to shoe horn any of these people into your own definition's of a supporter. Let us not undermine the meaning of support !
As a supporter , I am asking " How do we best support Richmond ".....well It helps to know what it means to be one. They can call themselves that and there is nothing we can do about it , but let's not muddy the water by calling them that.....or we will become the absolute laughing stock of the A.F.L. ie...." Ha the Tigers have become so desperate for numbers ,that they now call any Richmond hating , provocateur by choice a supporter ....a real supporter and just as good as Duncan Kellaway."

Sorry they are not and your definitions say so too.

Omarkum, why are you so worried about how others will see us? I don't see that as a basis for people wanting or needing to change. The only person we can ever change is ourselves. Why try to change people who don't want to change?

I don't know about others, but I was never given a rule book or instructions about how I should barrack for or support Richmond. So I'm pretty much making it up as I go along, just like everyone else I guess.

The only thing that some people seem to want to focus on regarding Richmond supporters is the criticism and negativity they see and hear from them. By doing so, they miss what is beyond all of that and what is really there. They miss the incredible passion people have for their footy Club.

Why? Because they do not understand these supporters. They have never felt what some of us have. It has not hurt them like it has us.

I know and can understand the frustrations that many of them feel and express, so I can see things from their point of view.

Some people see a lack of loyalty, a lack of support or some other negative aspect to these supporters.

I don't. I can see beyond the anger, frustration and criticism. What I see is people who just love their Club. They want Richmond to be successful. The criticisms they have are out of frustration. So, do they really hate people or do they hate the fact that they can't see how those people they criticise can bring us success?

We could all express ourselves differently, but we express ourselves in the only way we know how. How can we crucify someone if they don't know any different or if they don't want to change?

To me, Richmond supporters are as loyal and passionate as they come. Despite what anyone else thinks or says about them.

Bless every Tiger heart out there.
 
MC24 said:
I don't know about others, but I was never given a rule book or instructions about how I should barrack or support Richmond. So I'm pretty much making it up as I go along, just like everyone else I guess.


Bless every Tiger heart out there.

It is funny - at a Members Forum meeting we were asked "why do you support Richmond -what are the reasons - why sign up year after year, disappointment after disappointment" by the guy representing the Group that conducted that Members satisfaction survey.

One person answered there is no reason, there is no logic but there is passion that you have that cannot be explained. The majority agreed.

You are right MC24 there is no rule book. We go about supporting our team the best we can. I will admit I have been at the footy and bagged the players because of the frustration that has built up over a long long period of time. I don't do that much anymore. Does that mean I am better supporter now than say 2002? I don't think so. Despite it all I go every week, sign up every season and I will continue to do so. I love this Club and will do whatever I can to see it succeed.