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Heading Off To Thailand Again To Train

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Apr 15, 2007
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I'm heading off to Thailand again to train in Muay Thai for 3 months. Call me a crazy farang ( which in Thai means non- Thai ) .

I love Muay Thai .

The most devastating martial arts on the planet. You find most UFC exponents have a background / knowledge of Muay Thai along with obvious, a branch of ju - jitsu.

Muay Thai uses the 8 weapons of the human body , being ;

- elbows
- hands
- knees and
- kicks

For those who don't know much about Muay Thai or none at all, here is a brief description from the Internet.


A BRIEF HISTORY OF THAI BOXING

By Thawat Watthana

Thai boxing, or Muay Thai as the Thai people call it, is a traditional art of self defense of the Thais. It is different from international boxing in that in the Thai style of unarmed fighting, feet, elbows and knees are used as well as fists. Thus, it resembles more to a real free- for-all fight and is therefore considered superior to international boxing as an art of self defense. As it is more exacting, a Thai boxing match lasts only five rounds of three minutes each, with a two-minute rest between rounds.

Since ancient times the Thai rulers have attached great importance to the training of their soldiers and the ordinary people in the skills of hand-to-hand fighting, both with and without weapons. While the latter is known as muay, the former is called krabi-krabong, literally sword and baton, though the weapons used are not limited to these two. Very often, the rulers themselves were great fighters--strong, valiant and skilled in the art. That is one of the reasons why the Thais emerged a victor in their rivalry with other races and became dominant in this part of the world.

When the first Thai kingdom was set up in the late 13th century with Sukhothai as capital, a piece of ground in front of the palace was used by the king himself for practicing shadow boxing and also as a stadium where boxing contests were held to select good boxers as palace guards.

When the power of Sukhothai declined, another Thai kingdom rose in the lower reaches of the Chao Phraya River in 1350 with Ayutthaya as capital. The Kingdom was ruled successively by 35 kings of five dynasties until 1767, when Ayutthaya was occupied by the Burmese invaders. During this long period of over four centuries, several outstanding Thai boxers were produced. The first was King Naresuan the Great (1590-1605).

When Naresuan was a boy of nine, he was taken to Burma as a hostage following the first fall of Ayutthaya to the Burmese which resulted in the conqueror's installation of Naresuan's father, Maha Thammaraja, as the new king of Siam. Six years later, the Siamese prince was allowed to come back home, but only after he had won a boxing match with a well- known Burmese pugilist, which was a precondition set by the Burmese ruler for his release. Latter, Naresuan declared Siam's independence from Burma and, with his fighting skills, was able to repel another invasion from Burma and killed the crown prince of the enemy in the decisive battle.

Another Ayutthayan king known for his fondness of and expertise in boxing was Sanpet VIII. He once fought two boxers consecutively in a village fair not far from the capital. He beat both of them and won a prize of two bath from the ringmaster without revealing his real identity. But he did not use his special ability to bring glory to his country, but indulged himself in sensual pleasure. He soon acquired the bad reputation of being a cruel sexual pervert and the infamous nickname of "King Tiger".

Another very well known Thai boxer was a commoner named Khanomtom. He was among some 30,000 Thais taken to Burma as prisoners after the second fall of Ayutthaya in 1767. The next year a grand festival was held at a Buddhist temple in Rangoon where a holy relic of the Buddha was enshrined. Boxing contests were organized at the temple and Khanomtom was sent as a representative of the Thai prisoners of war. Having been well trained in the use of his fists, feet, elbows and knees in fighting, Khanomtom incredibly defeated 10 Burmese boxers in succession and was highly commended by the Burmese king. His extraordi- nary exploit is recorded in school textbooks and is known to every Thai school-children today.

After expelling the Burmese aggressors in late 1767, Phraya Taksin ascended the throne at Thom Buri. Himself a great warrior and keen boxer, the king spared no efforts in promoting the art of hand-to-hang fighting. Links his predecessors, he held boxing matches in his palace grounds. Among these the best known was Phraya Phichai the Broken Sword. He got the nickname because he once broke his sword in a fierce fight with the enemy and subsequently killed the enemy with the broken sword. He was later made governor of Phichai with the title of phraya.

RamaI, who founded the Chakri dynasty in Bangkok in 1782, also used the grounds in front of his palace as an arena where boxing matches were held to select his guardsmen. Once during his reign, there were two French brothers coming to Bangkok looking for rivals in free-style boxing contests with stakes. They had toured several cities in Indochina for the same purpose and had won a lot of money. To meet the challenge, the king assigned his foremost boxer Muen phlan to fight one of the brothers. It was an uphill task for the Thai boxer who was inferior in size and weight. However, he was able to use his superior skills in kicking, punching and attacking with elbows and knees to his advantage and defeated the brothers one after the other.

Rama V (1868-1910) was another king who was a great patron of boxing. He promoted the martial art by setting up his own boxing camp and encouraging the princes and other members of the nobility to do the same in all major cities of the country. He arranged boxing contests regularly and awarded the winners with rank and money.

Rama VI (1910-1925) took a step further by allowing commoners to run their own boxing camps, boxing rings and boxing competitions. The first modern boxing ring was erected on the football ground of Wang Suan Kulap or Rose Garden Palace in Bangkok. It was a raised square space enclosed by ropes with two referees to control matches, one at the blue corner and the other at the red corner. In a contest, the boxers' hands were bound with strings instead of wearing padded gloves as is the universal practice today. Thus, Thai boxers of former times could do much greater damage to each other in a match. What is most strange is the timing device, which was a holed coconut shell. It was placed in a tub filled with water at the beginning of a round. The round ended as soon as the coconut shell was completely immersed in the water.

The best Thai boxer of the time was a Korat man named Yang Hanthale. He became internationally known after beating a Shaolin-school boxer from China, Chin Chang, in a free- style match at the palace stadium. Chin was defeated because he failed to find an effective way to fend off the quick and powerful high kicking of the Thai boxer. Consequenty, he was hit at the neck into unconsciousness and had to be carried off the ring.

The boxing ring was successively moved to Tha Chang, Suan Sanuk and Lak Muang, all inside the ormer walled city of Bangkok. It was in 1919 when boxing matches were held at Tha Chang that the rules of Thai boxing were changed to require all boxers to wear boxing gloves in contests.

All the above boxing rings were temporary structures. The first permanent boxing stadium in Bangkok was built on Rachadamnoen Nok Road and was first opened in December 1945. Half a century later, Ratchadamnoen Boxing Stadium is still one of the two major stadium in the capital, where both Thai and international boxing matches are staged regularly, the other being Lumphini Boxing Stadium near Lumphini Park. Major matches are often televised live. And there are many other boxing rings in large cities throughout the country. So it is not difficult for a foreign visitor to Thailand to find out at first hand what Thai boxing is like.
 
Chiangmai tiger thanks for the article. I read it with interest.

"Life can't be lived in thinking of negatives. Only positives."

Without knowing the facts I can't comment. This is my 6 th trip, 5 th in the last 6 years.

I've been training since I was 17. Stopped once I got married and started again once it ended 8 years ago. I like to think for a 47 year old I go ok and quite fit.

I guess you never know when your number comes up.

Thanks again.

We have spoken previously Chiangmai tiger and I appreciate the link & article.

Waiting aka George T
 
Just had my last training session this morning.

Leave tonight @ 11.30 pm and will training in Thailand , Bangkok the following afternoon.

Looking forward to some serious hard(er) training ( twice a day ) am & pm sessions.

Waiting
 
Thanks for that antman !

Yeah certainly will be warmer, that's for sure.

Tigers have made the decision to leave that much easier after Sundays lost to the Roos.
 
good on you for training hard well into you 40s, waiting. I've just got really interested in weightlifting the last year or so in my mid 40s. It has given me a new lease on life.
 
Awesome, I've practiced a bit a muay thai and I've always wanted to train in Thailand. I box now but I can't help but throw a few elbows and kicks at the bags because muay thai is in my blood.
 
Evo and Willo thanks guys for your wishes and words.

Any form of fitness is the best form of exercise for you. Muay Thai isn't for everyone and you quickly get found out if your attitude is wrong or training for the wrong reasons.

Rockin.tiger here is some info for you which hopes helps. I'm currently training at the muay Thai institute myself.

Good luck with your training if you do and you will enjoy the fights if you go and watch. It's an eye opener like nothing you have seen here.


Where & When to see

Muay Thai Live : Bangkok and Vicinity
Lumpini Stadium
Rama IV Road, Bangkok
Tel: (02) 252-8765, 251-4303, 253-7702, 253-7940
Fight Schedule: Tuesdays and Fridays from 18.30 - 23.00 , Saturday afternoons 16.30 - 20.00, Saturday nights from 20.30 - 24.00
Tickets : 500 - 1,500 Baht

Ratchadamnoen Stadium
Ratchadamnoen Nok Avenue
Tel: (02) 281-4205, 280-1684-6
Fight Schedule: Mondays, Wednesdays and Thursdays at 18.30 - 23.00, Sundays starting at 16.00 - 20.00 and 20.30 - 12.00
Tickets: rang from 1,000 - 2,000 Bath



Learning Muay Thai
Muay Thai, with its emphasis on both offense and defense as well as on stamina, is a martial art anyone can learn: men, women, young or old. With the interest in Muay Thai growing fast, martial-art schools in Europe, America and Asia have added it to their curricula. Some hire former Muay Thai champions as instructors, others have trainers who studied with Thai teachers. These schools may teach all the right moves and maneuvers, but Muay Thai isn't just about punches and kicks.

To learn Muay Thai is to learn about its roots and its purpose, and there is nowhere better to do that than in its homeland. In the past, foreigners wanting “the real thing” would go to one of the stables, where training focuses on professional competition. For those not so inclined, there wasn’t much choice, and language was sometimes a problem. Not anymore, since Thailand now has a school for total Muay Thai education for both professionals and amateurs.


Muay Thai Institute
The Muay Thai Institute was established with the goal of preserving and promoting the art of Muay Thai and making it accessible to all. The Institute, which is located in Rangsit, just north of Bangkok Domestic Airport, offers accredited training courses for boxers, instructors and referees. Opened in 1997, the Institute is run by a professional team of Muay Thai instructors, promoters and officials. Its staff instructors are all former champions, hold at least a bachelor’s degree in physical education, and speak English. Graduates will received a certificate recognized by the Thai Ministry of Education and the World Muay Thai Council. Since its opening, the school has trained hundreds of amateurs and professionals. Students have come from Australia, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, New Zealand, Spain, Sweden, the U.K., and other parts of the world. Thai students, many of them girls and young women, also come for recreational and professional courses.

The Fundamental Muay Thai Program consists of Basic, Intermediate, Advanced and Professional levels and takes 120 day to complete. The program was designed to provide students with the historical and cultural background to Muay Thai as well as the physical skills and fitness training. The course includes a study tour to Bangkok’s major stadiums, so students can experience the real thing live.
Muay Thai for Instructors is ideal for those who want to become Muay Thai instructors or to run training schools. The program comprises three 15-day courses.

Muay Thai for Referees and Judges is divided into three levels of proficiency: local, national and international, each taking 15 days.
The Muay Thai Institute occupies a complex next door to Rangsit Stadium. Classes take place in the classroom and in the well-equipped gym. Students have access to the in-house fitness facilities and Muay Thai library. Dormitory-style accommodation, with five bunkbeds to a room, TV, and fridge, and meals are available. The Institute can arrange visa and paperwork for applicants to any of the courses.


Tuition and Fees at Muay Thai Institute
-- Fundamental Muay Thai 1-3: 6,400 Bath per course
-- Fundamental Muay Thai 4 (Professional): 48,000 Bath per course
-- Muay Thai Instructors 1 & 2: 11,520 Bath per course
-- Muay Thai Instructors 3: 12,800 Bath per course
-- Amature Muay Thai Referees & Judges 1 & 2 (Local & National Level): 11,520 Bath per course
-- Amature Muay Thai Referees & Judges 3 (International Level): 12,800 Bath per course
-- Professional Muay Thai Referees & Judges 1 & 2 (Local & National Level): 12,800 Bath per course


International visitors who wish to learn Thai boxing can contact:
The Muay Thai Institute, 336/932, Prahonyothin 118 Vipravadee Road Prachathipat, Thanyaburi, Pathum Thani Rungsit Thailand 12130, Tel: (02) 992-0096-99 (Auto), (02) 992-0095 Ext.0


Waiting
 
Good stuff waiting, best wishes for the trip. Inspirational for a man of your age (no offense) to show such commitment to what is an extremely difficult and demanding sport. Have dabbled a little in martial arts myself, but don't have the speed or agility required to be any good. Also explains why I was only a state level footballer lol. I shudder to think what abuse I might have copped on here if I had been drafted by the Tiges the year I nominated.

Evo, I started a powerlifting/weightlifting thread that got no interest a couple of years back. Feel free to dig it up if you would like to talk iron. I run powerlifting training from my shed with about a dozen blokes training heavy, free of charge. I love it. Would be happy to talk all day about it.

Cheers
 
Thanks tbartiger for that !

I think that the Thais here either find me crazy at my age, amazed that I have the ticker to train or thinks its great. I reckon it might the last two!

Just like you love power/weight lifting , I love Muay Thai.

I too have my own set up in my garage , from weights, treadmill, 2 bags ( one for kneeing & kicking and the other for punching & elbowing( the shorter, stockier one), to a Bob Dummy who cops his fair share and to a dip/push-up/chin up work station. I too just do it for free of charge when training friends etc.

Just completed my first week. Man the legs are feeling it and my shins are too from kicking those Thai bags.

They dedicate 4-5 hours a day training. Back home you just don't have that sort of time. They eat, sleep , breathe it here.

Met a former champion who is 75 who fought well into his 40's who is a lovely man. Suffers a little from Alzhimers but often tells you of some of his fights. He was known for his devastating elbows that knocked out his opponents. He had an attacking style , always forward and endured numerous blows in his fights but never took a backward step. Sometimes I see him in the corner if my eye when I'm training in the mornings training the bags and the noise he makes in the bag when he strikes it with an elbow strike and kick you just have to hear/witness. He inspires me.

Went and saw some fights here at the local stadium in Rangsit and some of the fights were truly owe some. Fights ended by elbows, knees and kicks to the head. Took some photos with two Thai beauties who are female Thai boxing champions. Absolutely beautiful but unbelievable devastating in the ring who are fighting in a couple weeks to be crowned Thailands no 1 female Muay Thai Champion. If these girls were here I would pity the guy(s) who thought of themselves as some smart ashes and advanced these girls with cheap talk etc, they would receive a rude shock and be sat on their backsides embarrassed.

Any way back to sleep for me as I get up in a few hours to start my 7am morning training session.

Waiting
 
No problem Rockin.tiger.

Phuket is beautiful with many things to see and do .

Go and watch some fights if you can at Patong Boxing Stadium. They tend to have many fights between foreigners and Thais that are quite good in spectacle.

Be safe.

Off to kin Kao ( eat in Thai )
 
great stuff waiting, ive trained in thailand a fair few times myself. I know exactly how taxing, yet rewarding, it is.

If all goes to plan with uni (passing every subject), work being ok with me going (i work for a footy club and itll be in the middle of preseason), ill hopefulyl be heading back to train at Fairtex for December. Hopefully ill get to fight, last time I did all the training only for it to be cancelled on the afternoon of.


Youll be a machine when you get back!


(tbartiger, im doing a powerlifting course this weekend at the weightlifting centre in hawthorn, really looking forward to it. Definitely enjoy working with the Iron)
 
Thanks D85

That's great that you have experienced what Muay Thai is like , from the land where it originated from!

If a person is truly interested or has trained back in Australia and you love Thai boxing has to come to Thailand and at least train.

I have heard different things about Fairtax but if you are going back there to train D85 you must have experienced the positive. Very overpriced for us farangs who want to train there though. Thats why I came and trained where I have.

For a 47 year I'm no machine but have a strong heart, desire and willingness to train. The old saying is true when you train in Thailand. " you only get back what you put in".

I wish you chok de kup with your training and if you get to fight "eat them alive"

Let us know how it all went with everything ok!

Waiting