Greg Miller

[jackstar]

I find it total unacceptable in the way he accused the Victorian Cricket Team, if this happened in the corporate world he would of been sacked.
It seems the the RFC is a well run circus.
His efforts in getting Frawley another year is a joke.
If we give Miller and Frawley more time, we wont have a club.
We are suppose to be a well organised football club.its getting worse by the minute.
The fact is that if Miller wasnt there, we wouldnt be in the situation of continuing with Spud next season, now he has to coach next year or we have some deal and pay him out, $400,000.
The way Miller talks about Fleming is absolute crap as well. Hes not tough, as you seen last night.
Also on Miller, he got up at the player link function before the game and said that we will be looking at more recycled players. and thats A FACT, so get ready for more Szillers and Kings and Houlihans, they are Richmond future according to Greg Miller.
Lets see how many members we have next year?

 

[Rosy]

Judgement is different to having an opinion Gus.
Noone is saying Miller has failed because of the things discussed about him on this thread.
I think Miller's mouthing off in the media has bordered on embarrassing though.
We can't really judge his effect on the club yet, but we can judge his media savvy, or lack of it.
It seems more people that Danny could do with being gagged around the club.

 

[gustiger12]

Not really Rosy, a Judgment is based on your opinion and vice versa.

Rosy I never suggested, or intended to suggest, that anyone has said MILLER has failed, I don't think so anyway.

The Media stuff Rosy, IMHO, is storm in a teacup stuff. I reckon even MILLER would be regretting some of the things he has said in hindsight, but he is not the only one to say things in the Media that make you cringe.

I think we have all heard some Gems from the likes of SHEEDY, PAGAN and who could ever forget some of MALTHOUSES media performances in the West.

I am, personally, reserving my judgement because the proof will be in the pudding and unfortunately we will not see that until seasons end. BUT I am prepared to give him the opportunity to live up to his promises.

What really concerns me though Rosy is that if he doesn't then we are in serious trouble as I don't see anyone else in the football department capable of making rational well informed decisions at the moment. We have seen what has happened in the past.

Why don't we have greater depth, a longer list. Why do we have over inflated player payments, contract we are paying while the player is at another club, players who cannot be delisted because of extended contracts etc etc.

As for Jackstars comments that MILLER got FRAWLEY another year, well that is rubbish. FRAWLEY was always contract until end of 2004. He just removed a clause that was the classic example of quick fix mentality.

How could any coach plan or recruit for the long term when you have a clause in your contract that says your contract can will be null and void if you don't make the 8 this year. That sort of stuff is exactly why we are in the situation we are in now.

The problem occured long before MILLERS arrival when we rushed to extend FRAWLEYS contract after making the finals in his second year. That is where the mistake lies. I am not supporting FRAWLEY as I for one do not believe he is up to it, but a lot of the blame lies with the previous administration. The same ones that gave the likes of DAFFY, BOURKE, BIDDISCOMBE, ROGERS and a few others very generous contract for which we are still paying.

You want MILLER to keep a clause in the coaches contract that guarantees he has to look for quick fix options and then criticise him for not recruiting for the future. Well you can't have your cake an eat it too unfortunately.

I think what we all have to realise is that the situation we're in now is a result of 20 years of looking for quick fixes and stupid decision making and NO ONE is going to turn all that around in under 12 months.

Look at Collingwood, they recruited a quality coach, an influential president, top line recruiting manager and football manager, but it has taken Malthouse 3-4 years to change over the list and turn them into a genuine force.

I am hopeful that it is people like MILLER and CAMPBELL that will allow us to attract a quality coach when the time comes, but if it is perceived that MILLER cannot change the RFC culture we will not be able to attract a quality coach next time round either. The whole thing is self perpetuating and we need to have someone show some strength at the top.

Maybe I am deluding myself by daring to hope that MILLER and CAMPBELL can do this, but what else do we have if we don't have hope.

Make no mistake I am as peeved as the rest of you, but all I say is lets give MILLER his chance.

I don't think anyone would argue that we are in a precarious situation at the moment.

 

[jackstar]

I dont think Greg Miller is travelling too well at present.
Give him a chance , WHY ?
If i was David Hookes, I would have him in court next week over the Email saga.
And he keeps sticking up for Fleming, for Gods sake,Fleming is a dud,I think we all saw that last night. I certainly dont wont to support players who go around and stick there elbows in someone face.
Miller has too much to say for someone who has been there for 2 minutes.
What about getting Richmond people back to the Richmond football Club instead of some clown from the Hammerheads, fair dinkum.

 

[jackstar]

Richmond has turned into the laughing stock of the league in the last few weeks. Why might that be ?

 

[EyeOfTheTiger]

I am ashamed to be a member of a club that made such false allegations against the Victorian Cricket team and doesn't have the good grace to publicly apologise to them.
Miller is a disgrace in this situation. Why doens't Casey step in? Does the bloke even exist?

 

[EyeOfTheTiger]

You want MILLER to keep a clause in the coaches contract that guarantees he has to look for quick fix options and then criticise him for not recruiting for the future. Well you can't have your cake an eat it too unfortunately.

Utter *smile*. There was no reason to remove the getout clause. Miller would have expected Richmond to have a far better season than they have when he did that.
Frawley has been there 4 years, not exactly short term. If Frawley chooses to look for short term fixes he isn't a suitable person to be leading the club.
A coach should always have the team at heart not his own self preservation.
The more reason to have the clause and use it if that was the case.

 

[gustiger12]

Utter *smile*. There was no reason to remove the getout clause. Miller would have expected Richmond to have a far better season than they have when he did that.
Frawley has been there 4 years, not exactly short term. If Frawley chooses to look for short term fixes he isn't a suitable person to be leading the club.
A coach should always have the team at heart not his own self preservation.
The more reason to have the clause and use it if that was the case.

EoT. Read what you just wrote. That clause is exactly what one very good reason why FRAWLEY would choose the short term fix.

Any coach is always going to have some sense of self preservation. Its called financial security.

If you are so confident in a person ability to want to rush to extend his contract then why do you need such a clause. Simply why no wait until closer to the end of his original contract in the first place. Could have seen anyone else rushing to snap him up.

Those sort of clauses aren't good for anyone and prudent decision making should eliminate the need for them in the first place.

As much as I hate to say it our previous administration offered another stupid premature contract extension and now we are forced to live with it.

The thing is we should not be rely on such clauses in the first place. If they are not up to scratch get rid of them.

Even if the clause was still there is that any guarantee that FRAWLEY would not be coaching next year????

Think about it.

 

[jackstar]

If my memory is right ,didnt we play in a prelim final in 2001 or is that a dream ? Hey isnt wasnt a dream !
It been all down hill since then.
The Benny Gale thing, then Matty Nights issue, something isnt right at Tigerland, and its not the waterboys!.
Sorry Frawley and Miller have to go !

 

[Maltese_Tiger]

I agree with some other posts that Greg Miller true worth to the RFC will be at the end of this season, when we prune our list and have a chance to select some new talent to come to the club.

The issue I have with the RFC is our coaching panel and this just does not mean Danny Frawley. When tend to be critical of Danny but what about his support staff especially our forward coach,were we seem to have no structure. If were are looking to develop into a strong club the whole panel has to be looked at and not just the one person.

Addressing the issue of a long term view from a coaching and a club perspective. If all at the club are so sure that the coaching panel is the one that is going to take us to a new era, why not extend their appointment for two further years and give them that stability and have a true crack at making this club successful. We have heard that we have been hamstrung by other administrations decisions but surely if they have three years to set up a proper structure than they can have no excuses. By only having one year left to do something about our list I fear that Danny will once again go for the quick fix and stuff this club up again. The Admin at RFC will need to live by their convications and either appoint Danny for the long term or getting out of here and find someone who will make thge hard decisions. Lastly my I say that the players should not be let off the hook as well, except for half dozen of them who puy in week in and week out the rest should be ashamed of their contribution to this great club.

 

[shawry]

Give Miller a chance. We still ahev the same players as before, it is the future and how we tread over the next few years and the decisions made from hereon that should determine how he has done his job. To dismiss him now before hes ahd his chance to even do what he does best is just ridiculous. More overreactions after a *smile* season. Cant just blame everybody for our failures.

 

[alleycat]

Greg miller seems to have a bit a greame richmond in him and thats what we need at the club,give him a go and soon enough it will be proven the correct decision to bring him to the club