One hit wonders just like Melbourne. Remember all the hype about them going back to back after winning it last year.? Couldn’t even win a final this year.
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Grand Final 2022 - Cygnets vs the Pussies
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Yeh, you have to accept he is very good at it but geez the swans were asleep to it. Hickey didn't position himself very well both times (perhjaps Hawkins simply outsmarted him) and got caught watching Hawkins and not the ball.
Not sure Hawkins has the tap in mind when he presents at boiundary throw ins. Think having a player sweating on the tackle is the obvious one.
The ruckman should be takling front position, they setup to move forward, they need to make him push them in the back not the side.
As much as I hate to admit it he does it well.
He's a great player. If I were a true contrarian I might raise the Hawkins vs Riewoldt comparison which would be an interesting discussion but I'm not that stupid.
He's a great player. If I were a true contrarian I might raise the Hawkins vs Riewoldt comparison which would be an interesting discussion but I'm not that stupid.
Both smart players, if you look at their careers, they are basically mirror images:
Both 3 premierships. Both have now become second fiddle to other forwards (Lynch and Cameron).
The only difference is Jack 3 Colemans v Tom 1 and Tom 5 AAs and Jack 3 (The AAs I have an issue with FWIW....Tom seen over favorably by the committee)
We love Jack but Hawkins has had an equally good career.
It would be a great debate. I think Jack has operated for more of his career in poorer sides?He's a great player. If I were a true contrarian I might raise the Hawkins vs Riewoldt comparison which would be an interesting discussion but I'm not that stupid.
I've actually softened a bit on the cats (other than Stweart the *smile*) they have been a great club to stay relevant for so many years. And Selwood is clearly a very good man and footballer, just an infuriating one. Could never question his courage and he's simply played to the rules and taken advantage of his size/strength.
Scott will never win me over, last night he almost took a pot shot at the 09/11/13 sides by saying they did it on the back of high draft picks. Andf he called himself a contrarian by going against that model.
Ultimately their best and most important players have been and are:
Hawkins - FS (was going No.1?)
Selwood - Pick 7
Dangerfield - AFL best player at time? poached
Cameron - AFL top 5 player at time poached
If they don't have them they don't win the flag. Yes they have found some gems, such as Stewart a great local find and Bllivacs and Close great rookie draft finds.
But ultimately flags are won by a mix of A grade talent (at least 5-6) and great role players. And luck on the way through with injuries and the draw. Scott hasn't reinvented the wheel.
I'd have Riewoldt well ahead first half of their careers and Hawkins ahead second half and gaining more every year. Line ball.
Cotchin v Selwood is another interesting one.
That may well be where a lot of the anti-Geelong feeling comes from, they are more like us than not.
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Are we serious Jack was winning Coleman's in a side that was compared to Fitzroy..
Where was Hawkins in 2015 when Geelong didn't make the 8??
Jack by the length of the flemington straight.
Are we serious Jack was winning Coleman's in a side that was compared to Fitzroy..
Where was Hawkins in 2015 when Geelong didn't make the 8??
I seem to recall Nank has managed to nullify Hawkins' tactics at times. We all know what he is going to do, stopping him is another matter, you would need to have someone to tackle him and another to smother a tap or kick, which of course costs you in using 2 players to nullify 1.
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This. The Hawkins freebie is massive. Just massive given his career, output and durability. When will he drop off?
Lynch was our freebie under FA and we also poached Prestia Caddy… and now it appears Taranto hopper.
Melbourne - draft concessions and/or being crap forever lead to petracca Oliver.
Bulldogs maybe the ones who have done it against all odds. Nothing jumping out to me in terms of FA although some solid father sons.
To win one of these things you need that sugar hit from somewhere. Draft unbelievably well for multiple years, father-son or have a FA want to come to your club etc. all while not losing talent and not getting caught / breaking salary cap rules
Banking early wins if you have older players and resting them so they can perform in finals also good. Cotchin was a revelation late season. So chimpy. Selwood good too for them. We learnt from ‘18 but never did bank those early wins in ‘19/‘20 and had to pull off massive win streaks to finish top 4.
The woke gang on social media are tearing Geeelong a new one over the Mad Monday celebration. Some of the players turn up dressed as oldies with their zimmer frames. But people on social media are calling them out labeling it 'disgusting stunt' 'inappropriate' and 'disrespecting elderly people'.
Yep, the freebie of Hawkins was huge. It should have been Hawkins OR Selwood, not Hawkins AND Selwood.
Similar to when they got Ablett for Pick 40, they took Bartel, Kelly and Johnson before Ablett. Using new rules around F/S and at least 1 of those wouldn't have been picked up.
The old F/S rules definitely favoured Geelong and enabled them to build a team that they wouldn't be able to these days.
Some people need to get a life. Not a fan of Geelong, but that's pretty funny.
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Saw that coming as soon as I heard what they were doing for Mad Monday. Some people just look for reasons to be offended.
BTW 77777, I don't think they're "woke", rather, they're just self opinionated dickheads with no sense of humour. Everything else though,
Riewoldt for mine.
You are right that Hawkins edging Jack in pure KP forward in second half of thwir careers. However that came about due to Jack changing his game.
I would like to see the goal assist stats as well. I dont warch many Geelong games but expect Jack is higher on that stat
so they're just going as themselves ..... can't see why the 'woke' would be upset ..... ?
The truly great teams of the 21st century have gone back to back, or threepeat.
No Geelong side has had the mental fortitude to do that.
